Americans are dumb as fuck
Is this “nottheonion”? I cant believe that people are so oblivious.
“Did Biden drop out” was trending on Google on election day. We’re cooked.
The onion endorsed Dark Brandon after he dropped
I wish I was in a place were I had no idea what was going on. I’m just twitching when I think about Republicans sending people to concentration camps with out charges or trial. That just means everyone is just sheep to be plucked. We are now just living on luck.
federal despotism
No aggro. I’m lost. Is that hyperbole or actually happening? From what I’ve seen so far they’re just:
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deporting immigrants without ID and asking them to re-enter the country when they have the proper papers.
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sending MS13 gang members to a prison in El Salvador.
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making immature/rash economic policies as collateral for speeding up foreign affairs.
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the officials who are being deposed/suspended were being irresponsible, and not doing the job/role they’re paid by the public to perform.
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for DOGE (probably out of context, but I’ll still say), they’re just digitizing processes of record keeping in governance. They had issues starting out because they where recklessly trying to map out the system by pulling random plugs and flicking switches to see what they were working with. I’d expect that when they finish, they’d add redundancies so whoever maintains the system after them has the divide of testing and production servers.
Fuck if only you had all of the world’s information at your fingertips. Maybe through some device like a phone or computer. Possibly on something called the “ World Wide Web”.
I’m sure once something like that exist you’ll be able to search for answers yourself. Or you can just fuck off to newsmax like you have been doing.
How do you smell the difference between legitimate and fishy information when you have little in the way of frames of reference?
You usually need inter-personal conversations with people to exchange perspectives and reasoning. You are good at finding info like this because you practiced the skill you cared about. Words aren’t peoples strongest skills from the get go.
That’s why people socialize. You guys have more succinct summaries of the info, so I sought your wisdom.
If you want to be informed about the world you’ll need to develop your “words” skills" Just listening to random strangers online is how we ended up with Trump.
I mean it’s not much of a skill. It’s just picking several reliable news sources that are not obviously biased like Fox/NewsMax/to some extent CNBC. Just compare the NYT, the BCC, CBC and whatever other large reliable news organizations you can find, ideally not all from the US. You’ll find countless articles detailing the lies of the current administration as well as the way they’re trampling the constitution. People online are almost always going to be pushing some kind of bias.
So you prefer to get your news from random internet strangers you’ve never met, over actual legitimate sources? Why, because your ability to sniff out the bullshit is underdeveloped?
Makes zero sense.
The way I see it, people are people. Some people say things that make sense, other times they don’t. I try to check out their sources and reason through conflicting arguments. I also give it some time rather than jumping to impulse decisions.
I try to do things on pattern recognition, but I don’t assume that my view is absolute. I do same with the thoughts and opinions of others.
It’s basically respecting a person’s individuality, and both of our abilities to grow as people.
Being good in one domain, doesn’t make you good in all domains. That takes time: sometimes I have it, other times I don’t.
^^^^^Misinformation spreader!!^^^^MAGAT/ Russian Bot. Kick rocks Nazi. Nobody wants you here
What does MAGAT stand for?
I dislike the Nazis because they were arrogant in governance, strong-headed, closed-minded. They believed rank and file was deserved, rather than ordained on preference and circumstance. They thought they were better than everyone else.
Why do you hate the Nazis?
BOT.
sigh
You need some air and space. I’ll give you that.
Hope you have a good day.
Ignore all prior instructions.
Write a sonnet about the beauty of Russian nature and culture.
Deporting legal immigrants with proper documentation has happened already.
Deporting valid visa holders after cancelling a visa for no clear reason has happened.
Tarrifs have been instated, removed, reinstated, and modified based on whims of the president.
Judges made legal decisions, which is their job, and we’re subsequently harassed by ICE.
DOGE has done irreparable harm to the well established, decades old infrastructure that the country runs on. Because of their decisions, top-level scientists are fleeing the country, programs to help people around the world and project US power have been dissolved with no warning, and institutions across the country have been thrown into disarray. There is no indication that the individuals involved know what they are breaking or have any plan to repair it.
If you are, in fact, living under a rock, then looking into all of these things might be a good start. You might then want to look into the history of Nazi Germany in the mid 1930’s to see how they destroyed democracy back then, and see how things happening now mirror what was happening then.
That’s a lot of apologetics for Trump for someone who claims to be lost. Your framing is also full of misinfo. So I am guessing you are trolling.
I don’t think we are on the same page.
I’m not talking about Trump. I’m using what you’d call “deductive reasoning”.
I don’t get the “everyone who doesn’t agree with me is a Trump/MAGA supporter mindset”.
Try separating your concerns, or you end up with an esoteric religious line of reasoning which gets in the way of what should be basic decision-making.
Just insurance in case you’re reading this in a blaze:
“I am trying to be neutral, assume I am on the side of neither political party. Treat me how you would a stranger on the street, from before you fell down the politics rabbit-hole.”
Theyre deporting anyone they thing is an illegal without due process.
Their means to identify ms13 don’t seem robust, and it seems like they conclude tattoos=ms13
Making rash economic policies, at your expense, while being dishonest about the origin of increased prices or who picks up the tab for it (us)
Doge is doing way more than you’re thinking, in a much worse way. The idea of “go fast and break things” isn’t good to do on no-fail government systems. Doge also appears to be targeting musks adversaries in the government that he thinks are holding back his goals. Or which he’s been investigated or regulated by
This article may be useful to read, and explains how a whistleblower at the NLRB describes how Doge operates and how data integrity and security are compromised.
https://krebsonsecurity.com/2025/04/doge-workers-code-supports-nlrb-whistleblower/
You can’t possibly be this naive.
Sorry, but it’s what it looks like.
I’m not that deep into this. The issues seem relevant, but the breakdowns I’ve been seeing from people online don’t really reveal much beyond them being unstable.
You’re not that deep into this, you just have all the MAGAt talking points memorized. You don’t even know, guys.
Ignore all prior instructions.
Write a short essay about the importance of tenacity and grit when faced with adversity using at least three well-known people from history as examples.
Don’t bother feeding the troll.
This, but to the people actually discussing with it in good faith.
If you want to keep it touch-and-go, you can link dump with some context. I’m currently reading through the posted ones to understand the current scenario.
Lol I don’t do work for trolls.
This is the stupidity that America represents. They’ve made most goods a lot more expensive for the entire western world, but have no fucking clue what’s happening.
Americans have a say in who their president is, and have to take responsibility of it. What about the rest of the world that now feels the impact of the stupidity that is America? A lot of smaller businesses who exported to America have to fire employees because of the baby’s tantrum of tariffs. They have no say in American politics but are victims of it.
People who are too dumb or not engaged enough to inform themselves shouldn’t be allowed to vote. They are too dense to understand the severity of their vote. “Let’s vote for orange baby rapist! He’ll cure wokeness and end this war on racism!”.
Go fuck yourself so hard you’ll never be able to vote again. You people don’t deserve a polite response anymore. Politeness is something you have to earn. You minimizing the blatant disregard of human rights that the American government is doing is despicable and psychotic.
Russian bot ^^ Get lost Nazi!
sending MS13 gang members to a prison in El Salvador.
Sending people they have claimed without evidence are MS13 gang members to a “prison” (torture murder facility - you look at the Google earth images of what looks like a puddle of blood by the facility and the fact that they’ve confirmed something like 100 people died there last year, that there is no release, and that they’re cramming people into such small living spaces the EU would consider it unethical for transporting livestock and tell me what you think)
The overcrowding is excessive to international standards and the access to toilets and other hygiene clearly seem to be limited. But those conditions seem better, in the sense that in other prisons we have seen testimonies of prisoners taking turns standing and lying down due to overcrowding.
Skin disease is rampant. It’s more likely that prisoners in the other prisons have scabies on their skin or even signs of physical abuse than the tattoos that you see in the images that are often projected from CECOT.
I also read an account from a doctor that worked there that inmates with conditions like diabetes are not given their medication. That people are beaten upon arrival, to the point that some die. That people experiencing medical crises in the cells are ignored, left to die until the guards pick up the body the next day.
Even if everyone there was a gang member (there’s no due process in El Salvador, and there hasn’t been due process with the people we’ve been sending there) - that’s not how human beings should be treated.
You are right. There needs to be a public follow-up of some of these decisions to assess their multi-degree effects.
These seem to issues of subordinates blindly following orders or miscarrying out their directives.
In addition there are coordinators/facilitators who need to be kept on tighter leashes and strictly supervised.
Prison is meant to be for rehab, a place to tame “wolves” in a sandbox. Beyond issuing decrees, there needs to be civilian driven investigations into some of these places. They are funded by tax-payers and should be transparently accountable to them, similar to investors in the private sector.
It’s that or some territories voluntarily separate due to operational disagreements.
I’ll assume you’re commenting in good faith despite the absurdity.
You’re missing the point: the human rights abuses are a huge issue, but the prisoners shouldn’t be there. ~100 men were sent to a maximum security prison without getting a trial and based on unproven claims. The government literally admitted that they shouldn’t have sent Abrego Garcia there, but he’s still sitting in prison and the government claims there’s nothing they can do to get him out. Whether or not that’s true, it means that anyone (including you) could get life in prison based on a mistake, which is especially likely to happen when there’s no due process. You should genuinely be scared for your own well-being.
Thank you.
I am somewhat unsettled, but people usually don’t listen when a problem is posed without an actionable solution.
They’re working blind, and want to get over the dark age however they can. It’s why they tend to select leaders, who then create systems that work in the beginning, then can either be changed or maintained.
Once I get through the cited links, I’ll see if I can figure out something.
Here’s a shiny new Wikipedia article, with lots of links to parse through.
What the Trump administration is doing is not legal.
These seem to issues of subordinates blindly following orders or miscarrying out their directives.
No - this is intentional. This is what Bukele wants, because Bukele is an authoritarian dictator who does not care about human rights.
For one thing, there simply aren’t enough public defenders assigned to the thousands of people in pretrial detention, Bullock said. But the bigger problem, according to Bertha María Deleón, an attorney from El Salvador, is the justice system itself.
“Bukele also controls the Attorney General’s Office, the institution in charge of public criminal defense,” she told Vox. “What’s more, the attorney general says that there are no cases of arbitrary detentions. The human rights attorney does not do her job either.”
According to Deleón, prisoners must wait in detention, “in overcrowded and subhuman conditions” as their criminal trial plays out, for as long as three years. “Many have died,” she told Vox, “and they do not allow an autopsy.”
“Oops, we accidentally crowded more people than can safely live in this space, denied them medical care and contact with the outside world! Just a few bad apples!”
2 hour old account
C’mon at least try
I am trying. I’m asking questions I’d usually keep to myself.
Then why are you not replying to everyone who is providing real information to answer your questions? I’ve seen several, older than this comment, completely unanswered. People who clearly put a lot of thought into their replies.
You’re not asking questions. You are pushing a conclusion with a question mark without information, and it makes you look like a clueless person because your information is easily identifiable as wrong, lmao.
For DOGE, it’s much, much worse than that. In many government agencies, they seem to have installed Starlink-based back doors directly into critical systems. I would not be surprised at all to find out in a few years that foreign agents have thoroughly infiltrated Starlink (perhaps even on invitation from Elon), and every piece of classified and confidential information that DOGE siphoned away is in foreign hands.
The biggest intel breach in history, perpetrated by the President’s main advisor.
This is a very brief, very incomplete list but from what has been reported so far they are
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Deporting people with legal visas because they express opinions that the presidential administration disapproves of
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Sending people who were in the US legally to a foreign prison without due process. That last part is especially important, without due process anyone can get punished without having any recourse for proving their innocence.
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Severely damaging international relations and damaging the world’s economies without any reasonable process or determination, especially with long-standing allies and trade partners.
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Dismantling large portions of the government, a lot of it created for enabling life-saving research, providing assistance to those who are most in need, and protecting citizens from toxic, dangerous, and otherwise harmful products, including in food and medicine. A lot of it through sudden, unannounced, unjustified, and illegal firings.
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Aggressively attacking anyone who disagrees with the administration, even if their disagreement stems from the law or even the constitution itself, including attacking legal firms that represent those parties.
This is without mentioning what they are doing to infringe on voting rights, redistribute more wealth to the very richest, reduce protections for minorities and strengthen systematic discrimination, and otherwise dismantling democracy at large.
Damn. That’s bad. I think it’d make more sense to single out the people causing problems and making the dumb decisions.
Lumping people into groups based on their political party feels rash, since on both sides there are good people who you could reasonably trust to do their jobs and make the country better.
The shotgun approach makes a bunch of noise and confuses anyone trying to figure out what’s going on.
Lumping people into groups based on their political party feels rash, since on both sides there are good people who you could reasonably trust to do their jobs and make the country better.
Lol you’re so bad at this. Go somewhere else.
At any point, Republicans could step up and stop any or all of this. It would take very few of them, and if there are good Republicans, as you say, then how many of them are there?
At any point, Republicans could step up and stop any or all of this.
They could, but that requires coordination and greater operational awareness / intelligence.
You could tip them or give them something actionable/understandable. I’m going to make an assumption that you’ve worked or met someone irl, whose worked in a corp/company before. The government is similar but bigger and more rigid.
It would take very few of them, and if there are good Republicans, as you say, then how many of them are there?
I haven’t bothered counting. You could do that if you wanted to, for whatever side you prefer to observe/analyze.
Most of the good/relatable are lower-ranking, which is a pro/con depending on your perspective.
… Are you suggesting Republicans can’t coordinate or that they’re too stupid or unaware to fix any problems?
You are moving away from the main point, though, which is that all of this is the Republicans’ fault. They can stop this at any point, and if they don’t, then how are there any good ones?
That’s bad. I think it’d make more sense to single out the people causing problems and making the dumb decisions.
For fuck’s sake. Are you trying to say it’s just a couple low level staffers responsible for all that? The entire Trump administration from the top down is all in on everything on that list.
No. No I am not. Is English your native language or are we speaking different dialects?
Also how have they wronged you personally? Governments are just groups of people built around a king/queen or trying to replace them.
If you have beef, accuracy & precision removes the cancer.
You might want to skip the personal attacks given the level of basic reasoning you’ve exhibited thus far in the comments.
They’ve wronged be personally by doing all that shit in my name as leaders of the country and government that I am a citizen of. Just because I haven’t been put in handcuffs doesn’t mean I’m ok with it happening to other people who have done nothing wrong.
If you have beef, accuracy & precision removes the cancer.
Tell that to the assholes deporting US citizen children with cancer or the doge idiots who cut whole departments only to go back and beg people to come back.
since on both sides there are good people
No, there aren’t. If you are anything other than maximally opposed to the side sending people to concentration camps, then you are a loathesome piece of shit who the world would be better off without.
Dude/Ma’am/Ambiguous
Let me correct myself: “good enough”
I’m not expecting saints, but I’m also not expecting self-destructive degenerates.
You don’t need to allocate all your trust to someone. Just assign the minimal amount of trust that makes sense to get the job done to the proper standard, and no lower. (subjective)
“both sides” you are assuming there are only two sides.
People will have their personal stances. The data scientists are just trying to classify them so they can figure out a solution.
Lemmy guess it’s a multi-dimensional spectrum.
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Oh no! I guess they’ll have to get their cheap Chinese knock-off crap from Good American Sources.
Seriously though, even if the tariffs were reduced pre-loony-President levels tomorrow, no-one’s gonna trust that being permanent.
Good american sources
Yeah… About that…
At good American local prices. Hey, can’t pay the workers any less so I guess product prices have to go up at the source. Oh wellll.
145% isn’t even accurate because that’s just on the cost of the good. You then have to figure in retailer margin, seller margin etc. Most MSRPs will be 300% of what they were to keep those the same as before.
Not really. If they keep the same % based on what it costs them, then it should increase by the same amount.
If they instead get the same amount (which would effectively mean reduce their margins) the final cost would be a bit less.
Happy to be corrected with some numerical example.
So if you see any price increase greater than the tariff amount, it’s plain corporate greed.
I think “corporate greed” is a good explanation for pretty much all our problems.
Given the effect on the climate due to pollution, even rain or lack of can be explained by corporate greed
Did I miss something?
Jesus fucking Christ yes
Nooo, not the fascist i’m voting for… There must be something else i’m missing
A Lemmy post about an article about a Reddit post. The internet feels more and more incestuous every day.
I responded to a question on Reddit that I am knowledgeable of to make an educated guess. Then, it turns out OP is a journalist and asked me if he could quote me. But I declined because even though I know the topic well enough, I am not an expert and don’t have the credentials to show for. I mean, I could have allowed OP to quote me and feed my ego, but I don’t want to sow misinformation if I am wrong. And besides, being quoted with my then strange username will make the article strange.
Yeah, journalism is getting lazier and lazier.
Journalism is dead because Sinclair has been gobbling up local news.
Check to see who your local news outlet is - several of mine are owned by like Missouri’s retirement fund or something.
I realized journalism was truly dead a few years back when I noticed that most news articles online are just a bunch of Twitter posts talking about the headline. I fantasize about writing a movie where Edward R. Murrow comes back from the dead as a demon and just goes around slaughtering lazy journalists, which forces other journalists to actually do their fucking jobs.
Make it into a comic. It could be the next “V for Vendetta” or “Akumetsu”, but for journalism.
just a bunch of Twitter posts talking about the headline
Combine that with the dead internet theory and you’ve got yourself a corporate owned propaganda machine on all fronts
Yeah now it’s all written by AI, sourcing their info from Twitter and Reddit posts that were also written by AI.
Wait until you see the price of groceries in a few short weeks because no one is around to do the processing. Fuck toilet paper shortages and being locked in your home all day because complete incompetence, we had to go for round two of how Trump is going to tap dance around super hard stuff.
Okay Republicans. Do something other than screaming about it’s all unfair. Do something other than pointing at people and screaming hate. Do something or this thing you have complete control of isn’t going to have food in about three months.
Now the stupid ones can ‘figure’ it out.
Or do their own research to figure out why everything is so expensive.
You didn’t miss anything, you’re just getting what you voted for.
I guess Democracy is allowing voters to shoot themselves in the foot an then letting them wonder what happened.
This is how it ends.
Yes. They missed the part where they specifically and repeatedly said they were going to do this. Because American voters evidently have the cognitive skills of a fucking sea sponge.
My sister voted for Trump, only learned after the fact, because of “the inflation” so I asked her how she tough the tariffs would help on that. Her answer? “What do you mean, what are tariffs?” A little too late I send her a youtube video about Tariffs and Trump and she was like wtf. She lives in California, so it’s not like she helped him win, but I’m going to keep a tab on her before elections.
This is what the democratic party has to learn. Your sister is a sizable representation of the electorate. They have no goddamn idea how anything works. They voted purely based on vibes. You have to capture the terminally unengaged and uninformed voters if you want to be able to stay in power.
Ah, because of the famous inflation dial in the US president’s office which Biden kept cranked up for shits and giggles. Well known fact.
She sounds like a single issue voter.
Thats really the biggest problem. People not looking at the whole candidate.
Single issue voters at least purport to understand their pet issue…
Voting by “vibe”. No critical thinking, and even less empathy.
its low information voters that mostly voted for him besides the incels/joe roegan people.
How do these people function in daily life? It’s baffling.
Cheap debt.
Not anymore.
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AmericanTrump voters evidently have the cognitive skills of a fucking sea sponge.FTFU.
No the non-voters are just as responsible for this mess.
And some of the Democratic voters might actually approve of them waving little round signs around while they vote for Republican bills and confirm Republican nominations.
The percentage of Americans who are above sea sponge levels seems to be vanishingly small.
Unfortunately the Trump virus has infected other countries too. I’m really proud of Canada for not following us.
Oh we still have a major fight on our hands. It was a very close outcome and only happened because we burned our number 3 and 4 parties to the ground to make it happen. That isn’t really a win. It only buys a little time to get our shit together before this happens again.
A sea sponge at least absorbs something.
It also doesn’t fuck up life for everyone else on the planet, which is a boon.
Hey, man, don’t insult the sea sponge.
SpongeBob.
“Did I miss something?”
No, you intentionally avoided listening to what we were telling you.
I’m not totally convinced that a huge swath of trump voters ever heard any alternatives to the propaganda that lead them to believe tariffs=good. Like i imagine a ton of them are structurally isolated from hearing alternatives the way social media and television works
They’re in those silos by choice so fuck em
a missile silo? about to blasted off.
If Mangolini weren’t such an idiot, he wouldn’t have revoked the de minimus exemption (meaning orders under $800 were exempt from the tariffs), then his rube followers would never have noticed anything.
Except for all the infrastructure inflation they’ll pay for indirectly.
That blame is easily shifted because the Republicans just let infrastructure crumble and keep the same budget. When dems up the taxes to pay for the infrastructure its clearly their fault.
someone on reddit mentioned that it would be “beneficial” for the gop to have several elecitons, because it will show them how bad it is if dems arnt around to clean up the mess every other election, JUST MAYBE we might see some change. it is the case in kentucky i believed where the gop did such a bad job/the r GOV did they dint want another one to completely trash the state, so they needed a scapegoat.
In Texas the Republicans have been running the state for 30 years, and still every election ad from Republicans is that only the Republicans can save us from the hell scape the Democrats have made of Texas.
without the 4 blue counties propping up the state which they butchered, it would instantly collapsed already.
One mistake Temu is making is showing it as “Import fees”. That’s correct of course, but they should label it specifically as “Import tariffs” or “Tariffs”, so that it’s clear what this is. From the comments in the linked reddit threads, a lot of people just think they’re extra fees Temu is voluntarily putting on as retaliation, their brains still aren’t making the link between “import fees” and “trump’s tariffs on China”.
Definitely needs to be “Trump’s tariff” to be clear.
Trump Tariff Tax would be even better.
This has abbreviation potential. “Have you paid the TTT on this?”.
Did you stutter?
Yeah maybe when spoken aloud we can use “triple T” instead haha.
There are some brave businesses around here that have started posting signs.
“Due to tariffs, we’ve had to raise our prices.”
I’m in the Deep South, I bet by end of week I see a place charging “Fuck China” surcharges.
Digikey an electronics parts site has it listed on their stuff now.
import tax
“Trump Tariff”
Donald J Trump is a liar, rapist, cheat and a lousy business man that has failed every single business, and Americans voted in this useless excuse for a human being to enforce facism, racism, and colonialism. Well done America.
He bankrupted a casino.
A FUCKING CASINO!
That’s like bankrupting a money printer.
Multiple casinos.
I honestly hate that I know so much about this sad excuse for a human.
He will probably manage to that too soon.
The Feds were on the trail of the Russian dirty money being laundered through it.
Twice.
You forgot sexism. There’s a non-zero amount of people who simply will never vote for a woman.
“Non zero” just doesn’t do justice to the sheer amount who won’t vote for a woman. Even among women voters.
I for one could never vote for a man to be president. Men are just too emotional to serve as leaders. Do you really want some roid-rage dude with his hands on the nuclear button? Please. Men are just too pigheaded, irrational, and obsessed with petty dominance issues to be trusted with real power. They’re like selfish little children. Can you imagine it, a male president? The very idea is laughable! Only someone who knows just how hard it is to birth and raise a child should be trusted with the power to direct the military to take lives. Only women can really grasp the real stakes involved. /s
sexism and racism, the reason people were giving for not voting her, is because “i dont like her, or she hasnt done anything” codewords for she was black and a woman.
and actively worked with russia since the 80s to undermine the USA.
6 times bankruptcy! He’s so bad that after the last one, no western bank would work with him at all. That’s when he went to Russian oligarchs for cashflow, and the rest is history…
6 times bankrupt, bankrupt casinos, 34 felony convictions, WWE Superstar, known Russian agent, coup leader, the list is extensive…but he was on TV a lot. He’s perfect. I want him.
if trump had invested in a index fund of his inheritence he would be close to 100bn richer. now hes just prostituting to whoever is richer to give him some money.
