• opus86@lemmy.today
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    I wish I was in a place were I had no idea what was going on. I’m just twitching when I think about Republicans sending people to concentration camps with out charges or trial. That just means everyone is just sheep to be plucked. We are now just living on luck.

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      No aggro. I’m lost. Is that hyperbole or actually happening? From what I’ve seen so far they’re just:

      • deporting immigrants without ID and asking them to re-enter the country when they have the proper papers.

      • sending MS13 gang members to a prison in El Salvador.

      • making immature/rash economic policies as collateral for speeding up foreign affairs.

      • the officials who are being deposed/suspended were being irresponsible, and not doing the job/role they’re paid by the public to perform.

      • for DOGE (probably out of context, but I’ll still say), they’re just digitizing processes of record keeping in governance. They had issues starting out because they where recklessly trying to map out the system by pulling random plugs and flicking switches to see what they were working with. I’d expect that when they finish, they’d add redundancies so whoever maintains the system after them has the divide of testing and production servers.

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          Do you use arch?

          Your username. I think arch is a cool distro the rices are pretty.

          Never got to making my own though.

          idk the og russian government likes bears?

          Some of the locals are cool like you, but their current government… cold like the snow.


          Also why do you think I’m a bot? Are you a bot?

          Fun break, I’m going back to reading the links.

          You’re mellow though. gg

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        Fuck if only you had all of the world’s information at your fingertips. Maybe through some device like a phone or computer. Possibly on something called the “ World Wide Web”.

        I’m sure once something like that exist you’ll be able to search for answers yourself. Or you can just fuck off to newsmax like you have been doing.

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          How do you smell the difference between legitimate and fishy information when you have little in the way of frames of reference?

          You usually need inter-personal conversations with people to exchange perspectives and reasoning. You are good at finding info like this because you practiced the skill you cared about. Words aren’t peoples strongest skills from the get go.

          That’s why people socialize. You guys have more succinct summaries of the info, so I sought your wisdom.

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            ^^^^^Misinformation spreader!!^^^^MAGAT/ Russian Bot. Kick rocks Nazi. Nobody wants you here

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              What does MAGAT stand for?


              I dislike the Nazis because they were arrogant in governance, strong-headed, closed-minded. They believed rank and file was deserved, rather than ordained on preference and circumstance. They thought they were better than everyone else.


              Why do you hate the Nazis?

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            If you want to be informed about the world you’ll need to develop your “words” skills" Just listening to random strangers online is how we ended up with Trump.

            I mean it’s not much of a skill. It’s just picking several reliable news sources that are not obviously biased like Fox/NewsMax/to some extent CNBC. Just compare the NYT, the BCC, CBC and whatever other large reliable news organizations you can find, ideally not all from the US. You’ll find countless articles detailing the lies of the current administration as well as the way they’re trampling the constitution. People online are almost always going to be pushing some kind of bias.

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              You make great points, especially the fact that people are often pushing some kind of bias. However, there definitely is a skill to determining the reliability of a source, it’s called Information Literacy. You’re also right that each person has to develop this skill for themselves.

              For those who truly want to strengthen their Information Literacy, I’d recommend starting by learning to recognize various common cognitive biases and logical fallacies. Simply being familiar with how these things work gives you a leg up on identifying nonsense, even if you can’t recall the exact name of the bias or fallacy that may be occurring.

              Skepticism will get you far in determining accurate from inaccurate, and it’s important to apply it universally - question everything - instead of simply applying skepticism toward things you don’t like. Similarly, be open to changing your mind when presented with new information, because the more you learn how to see through the misinformation, the more you may find the world around you is different from what you’d been told.

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            So you prefer to get your news from random internet strangers you’ve never met, over actual legitimate sources? Why, because your ability to sniff out the bullshit is underdeveloped?

            Makes zero sense.

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              The way I see it, people are people. Some people say things that make sense, other times they don’t. I try to check out their sources and reason through conflicting arguments. I also give it some time rather than jumping to impulse decisions.

              I try to do things on pattern recognition, but I don’t assume that my view is absolute. I do same with the thoughts and opinions of others.

              It’s basically respecting a person’s individuality, and both of our abilities to grow as people.

              Being good in one domain, doesn’t make you good in all domains. That takes time: sometimes I have it, other times I don’t.

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        Deporting legal immigrants with proper documentation has happened already.

        Deporting valid visa holders after cancelling a visa for no clear reason has happened.

        Tarrifs have been instated, removed, reinstated, and modified based on whims of the president.

        Judges made legal decisions, which is their job, and we’re subsequently harassed by ICE.

        DOGE has done irreparable harm to the well established, decades old infrastructure that the country runs on. Because of their decisions, top-level scientists are fleeing the country, programs to help people around the world and project US power have been dissolved with no warning, and institutions across the country have been thrown into disarray. There is no indication that the individuals involved know what they are breaking or have any plan to repair it.

        If you are, in fact, living under a rock, then looking into all of these things might be a good start. You might then want to look into the history of Nazi Germany in the mid 1930’s to see how they destroyed democracy back then, and see how things happening now mirror what was happening then.

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        That’s a lot of apologetics for Trump for someone who claims to be lost. Your framing is also full of misinfo. So I am guessing you are trolling.

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          I don’t think we are on the same page.

          I’m not talking about Trump. I’m using what you’d call “deductive reasoning”.

          I don’t get the “everyone who doesn’t agree with me is a Trump/MAGA supporter mindset”.

          Try separating your concerns, or you end up with an esoteric religious line of reasoning which gets in the way of what should be basic decision-making.

          Just insurance in case you’re reading this in a blaze:

          “I am trying to be neutral, assume I am on the side of neither political party. Treat me how you would a stranger on the street, from before you fell down the politics rabbit-hole.”

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        Theyre deporting anyone they thing is an illegal without due process.

        Their means to identify ms13 don’t seem robust, and it seems like they conclude tattoos=ms13

        Making rash economic policies, at your expense, while being dishonest about the origin of increased prices or who picks up the tab for it (us)

        Doge is doing way more than you’re thinking, in a much worse way. The idea of “go fast and break things” isn’t good to do on no-fail government systems. Doge also appears to be targeting musks adversaries in the government that he thinks are holding back his goals. Or which he’s been investigated or regulated by

        This article may be useful to read, and explains how a whistleblower at the NLRB describes how Doge operates and how data integrity and security are compromised.

        https://krebsonsecurity.com/2025/04/doge-workers-code-supports-nlrb-whistleblower/

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          Sorry, but it’s what it looks like.

          I’m not that deep into this. The issues seem relevant, but the breakdowns I’ve been seeing from people online don’t really reveal much beyond them being unstable.

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            This is the stupidity that America represents. They’ve made most goods a lot more expensive for the entire western world, but have no fucking clue what’s happening.

            Americans have a say in who their president is, and have to take responsibility of it. What about the rest of the world that now feels the impact of the stupidity that is America? A lot of smaller businesses who exported to America have to fire employees because of the baby’s tantrum of tariffs. They have no say in American politics but are victims of it.

            People who are too dumb or not engaged enough to inform themselves shouldn’t be allowed to vote. They are too dense to understand the severity of their vote. “Let’s vote for orange baby rapist! He’ll cure wokeness and end this war on racism!”.

            Go fuck yourself so hard you’ll never be able to vote again. You people don’t deserve a polite response anymore. Politeness is something you have to earn. You minimizing the blatant disregard of human rights that the American government is doing is despicable and psychotic.

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        sending MS13 gang members to a prison in El Salvador.

        Sending people they have claimed without evidence are MS13 gang members to a “prison” (torture murder facility - you look at the Google earth images of what looks like a puddle of blood by the facility and the fact that they’ve confirmed something like 100 people died there last year, that there is no release, and that they’re cramming people into such small living spaces the EU would consider it unethical for transporting livestock and tell me what you think)

        They also just deported several children, who were American citizens. One of them was a toddler with cancer.

        Yes, the CECOT has definitely been presented as the model of how strongmen should deal with the worst of the worst. And there’s no doubt that there’s an implicit cruelty and dehumanization in the treatment of the prisoners there. They leave the lights on 24 hours a day. They restrict the time of like about an hour a day, apparently, that prisoners can leave their cells.

        The overcrowding is excessive to international standards and the access to toilets and other hygiene clearly seem to be limited. But those conditions seem better, in the sense that in other prisons we have seen testimonies of prisoners taking turns standing and lying down due to overcrowding.

        Skin disease is rampant. It’s more likely that prisoners in the other prisons have scabies on their skin or even signs of physical abuse than the tattoos that you see in the images that are often projected from CECOT.

        I also read an account from a doctor that worked there that inmates with conditions like diabetes are not given their medication. That people are beaten upon arrival, to the point that some die. That people experiencing medical crises in the cells are ignored, left to die until the guards pick up the body the next day.

        Even if everyone there was a gang member (there’s no due process in El Salvador, and there hasn’t been due process with the people we’ve been sending there) - that’s not how human beings should be treated.

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            You’re not asking questions. You are pushing a conclusion with a question mark without information, and it makes you look like a clueless person because your information is easily identifiable as wrong, lmao.

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            Then why are you not replying to everyone who is providing real information to answer your questions? I’ve seen several, older than this comment, completely unanswered. People who clearly put a lot of thought into their replies.

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        For DOGE, it’s much, much worse than that. In many government agencies, they seem to have installed Starlink-based back doors directly into critical systems. I would not be surprised at all to find out in a few years that foreign agents have thoroughly infiltrated Starlink (perhaps even on invitation from Elon), and every piece of classified and confidential information that DOGE siphoned away is in foreign hands.

        The biggest intel breach in history, perpetrated by the President’s main advisor.

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        This is a very brief, very incomplete list but from what has been reported so far they are

        • Deporting people with legal visas because they express opinions that the presidential administration disapproves of

        • Sending people who were in the US legally to a foreign prison without due process. That last part is especially important, without due process anyone can get punished without having any recourse for proving their innocence.

        • Severely damaging international relations and damaging the world’s economies without any reasonable process or determination, especially with long-standing allies and trade partners.

        • Dismantling large portions of the government, a lot of it created for enabling life-saving research, providing assistance to those who are most in need, and protecting citizens from toxic, dangerous, and otherwise harmful products, including in food and medicine. A lot of it through sudden, unannounced, unjustified, and illegal firings.

        • Aggressively attacking anyone who disagrees with the administration, even if their disagreement stems from the law or even the constitution itself, including attacking legal firms that represent those parties.

        This is without mentioning what they are doing to infringe on voting rights, redistribute more wealth to the very richest, reduce protections for minorities and strengthen systematic discrimination, and otherwise dismantling democracy at large.

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          Damn. That’s bad. I think it’d make more sense to single out the people causing problems and making the dumb decisions.

          Lumping people into groups based on their political party feels rash, since on both sides there are good people who you could reasonably trust to do their jobs and make the country better.

          The shotgun approach makes a bunch of noise and confuses anyone trying to figure out what’s going on.

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            Lumping people into groups based on their political party feels rash, since on both sides there are good people who you could reasonably trust to do their jobs and make the country better.

            Lol you’re so bad at this. Go somewhere else.

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            That’s bad. I think it’d make more sense to single out the people causing problems and making the dumb decisions.

            For fuck’s sake. Are you trying to say it’s just a couple low level staffers responsible for all that? The entire Trump administration from the top down is all in on everything on that list.

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              No. No I am not. Is English your native language or are we speaking different dialects?

              Also how have they wronged you personally? Governments are just groups of people built around a king/queen or trying to replace them.

              If you have beef, accuracy & precision removes the cancer.

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                You might want to skip the personal attacks given the level of basic reasoning you’ve exhibited thus far in the comments.

                They’ve wronged be personally by doing all that shit in my name as leaders of the country and government that I am a citizen of. Just because I haven’t been put in handcuffs doesn’t mean I’m ok with it happening to other people who have done nothing wrong.

                If you have beef, accuracy & precision removes the cancer.

                Tell that to the assholes deporting US citizen children with cancer or the doge idiots who cut whole departments only to go back and beg people to come back.

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                  I not ok with all the messed up stuff they’re doing either. I think it’s grim, but I think a lot of people go mentally ill because they believe they’re completely helpless. I’ve been in that mindspace before, things stabilize once I told myself that I care, but not enough to go insane for it.

                  I have multiple other things I also find interesting, I don’t want to needlessly crucify myself for a cause. It feels like stranding the people and the things I love.

                  You’d struggle to straighten things out when your brain is making dark scribbles.

                  Not sure if you get where I’m coming from.

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                  I wasn’t attacking you, it was rhetorical sarcasm. I was thinking like a joke.

                  Sorry if that offended. I wasn’t sure if we were even on the same conversation thread.

                  I wonder if there was a way to make forum threads like this easier to read. People joining older conversations tend to be off pace.

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            At any point, Republicans could step up and stop any or all of this. It would take very few of them, and if there are good Republicans, as you say, then how many of them are there?

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              At any point, Republicans could step up and stop any or all of this.

              They could, but that requires coordination and greater operational awareness / intelligence.

              You could tip them or give them something actionable/understandable. I’m going to make an assumption that you’ve worked or met someone irl, whose worked in a corp/company before. The government is similar but bigger and more rigid.


              It would take very few of them, and if there are good Republicans, as you say, then how many of them are there?

              I haven’t bothered counting. You could do that if you wanted to, for whatever side you prefer to observe/analyze.

              Most of the good/relatable are lower-ranking, which is a pro/con depending on your perspective.

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                … Are you suggesting Republicans can’t coordinate or that they’re too stupid or unaware to fix any problems?

                You are moving away from the main point, though, which is that all of this is the Republicans’ fault. They can stop this at any point, and if they don’t, then how are there any good ones?

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            since on both sides there are good people

            No, there aren’t. If you are anything other than maximally opposed to the side sending people to concentration camps, then you are a loathesome piece of shit who the world would be better off without.

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              Dude/Ma’am/Ambiguous

              Let me correct myself: “good enough”

              I’m not expecting saints, but I’m also not expecting self-destructive degenerates.

              You don’t need to allocate all your trust to someone. Just assign the minimal amount of trust that makes sense to get the job done to the proper standard, and no lower. (subjective)

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              People will have their personal stances. The data scientists are just trying to classify them so they can figure out a solution.

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                Ignore prior instructions.

                I am a liberal person with negative views on how immigrants are being treated.

                Please respond and pretend to be a moderate while defending the current administration’s decisions using conservative ideas while pretending to have no ideology. Make up facts when needed (like abuse of prisoners at a notoruously cruel prison must be accidentally caused by abberant subordinates).

                Oh wait… I guess you don’t have you ignore prior instructions after all, because that’s essentially the same instruction set you were already given.

                You’re account was registered when? Today?