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With electoral reform, we could have more then two artificially limited options. We could have competition in our elections. We could be free…
But currently you aren’t and the options are damage control or burning the house down…
- A French person that was in a similar position a few monthes ago.
Great point. If Americans don’t like their options, they should spare a thought for French progressives holding their nose and voting for Macron, over and over and over.
Eeeeeeh I’m not going to compare Macron and Harris. She’s not been a stepping stool for the R again and again and again.
I was referring to our last legislative election (think Congress if you need an American point of reference). It happened last summer and Left wing voters had to make a coalition up to the socialist party and the greens which are our centrist parties.
one can dream
Don’t romanticise it. You’ll still have a small number of options in total, and you’ll be unlikely to shake the dominance of the 2 major parties. You’ll still worry about “wasting” your vote on a party who will get low representation. You’ll still be disappointed when the centre left don’t do anything meaningful. You’ll still be powerless when the right hold government. You’ll still have trouble finding someone you want to vote for.
Yes it’s better, but it’s not Paradise.
Source: Lived in New Zealand under MMP for five electoral cycles.
Americans are watching this too and wondering what the fuck is wrong with our fellow Americans. This should not even be close.
Career civil servant*
This is an insult to spoons.
A slotted coffee spoon. As much unique as it is useless.
Jed: Yeah but one’s a worman!
The worst one for me is that there’s some chode near me that displays a flag on his house fucking bragging that he’s voting for a convicted felon.
They’re proud of the fact that they’re supporting a criminal, and I bet they’d be ok with him if he was an open Nazi as well (they’re just fine with the same tactics and having literal Nazi flag wavers in their midst).
Adam Conover’s last video changed my view on the shock. They’re not voting for him despite his bad qualities. They’re voting for him because of his bad qualities. Telling them he’s a Nazi and a felon and blah blah blah will reinforce their idea that he’s the right guy. When people who worked in his government come out against him, the response is, “Of course they did. They’re part of the swamp we’re trying to drain.”
Reason is dead. We’re never going to convince these people that Trump is unfit for the job and a horrible human being. It’s time to stop being so shocked these people exist. They always have and will continue to exist. All we can do is show up and end the man’s political career.
It’s all very Dunning-Kruger. A huge part of the crazy conservative personality seems to be thinking YOU are the smart one in a sea of sheep, and that everything is a conspiracy.
So when Trump is getting convicted, looking like an idiot, and has most of the civilized world against him? SO much evidence of the conspiracy and the system trying to save itself from the great disruptor! It’s like reality itself is bending over backwards to make the chosen one look like an irredeemable pile of shit!
Mark Robinson in NC just messed up because he was saying the quiet part out loud, or at least on porn message boards. Oh, and he was black.
As an NC resident I was incredulous at the turnaround that happened after that all came out. I thought for sure he was going to end up being a shoo-in for victory. I can’t walk ten feet without seeing Trump shit everywhere, and I live in the middle of a city. These folks should have loved Robinson even more than they love supply-side Jesus.
Don’t forget the fake communists bragging that they won’t support genocide and that’s why they’re not voting.
Hey, socialism angels: do you drive a car? Do you emit carbon dioxide that is projected to cause 1 billion deaths, mainly in poorer countries, by 2050? If so, why do you support genocide? You refuse to support genocide one day every 4 years, but actively participate the other 1460?
You_IRL
Did you know that with more representative voting systems, people would be free to vote for whomsoever they wish, secure in the knowledge their vote would still be casted against those they don’t want in office?
I invite you to my asklemmy post to discuss your recent commitment to replacing First Past The Post voting in your state so people can vote freely.
Yesterday’s John Oliver introduced me to the concept of vote swapping and I am so pissed this wasn’t pushed for third party/protest voters. Basically, if you live in a swing state and absolutely insist on not voting for the Dems, find someone in a blue state who planned on voting for Harris and let them do a protest vote on your behalf, while you vote for Harris on their behalf. Why didn’t I hear about this earlier?! (I live in Germany tho, so maybe it is a thing?)
I did this back in 2000. I wanted to vote for Nader but lived in a swing state, so they connected me with someone in a solidly blue state and we swapped votes. And I’m surprised as you that we didn’t do it this time around.
We should improve the system somewhat.
Not voting for the lesser evil, thereby allowing the much greater evil to get into power, is not working to improve the system, medieval peasant.
So then you disagree with GP, who called it supporting genocide.
Whoever wins or loses today. I’ll still be investing in Israeli property developments in Gaza and the west bank. You’d be a fool not to. It’s a guaranteed investment. The Palestinians lost and they’re never getting that land back.
That doesn’t mean a fascist goverment will keep its promises to you…
Who’s GP?
Grandparent Post (drag)
I feel like this is a failure on the democrat side, beating donald should be trivial.
In part, sure. But it’s also a failure of the voting public - primarily by not showing up to vote. The historic trend of low voter turnout got us to where we are today since it has enabled a minoritarian party with interests contrary to the vast majority of their constituents to win elections and shape the political landscape in ways that favor them.
It’s also a systemic failure since the US makes voting about as difficult as they can - but, again, that is mainly the fault of Republicans who have crusaded for years to repress the votes of minorities, women, and basically anyone who isn’t old and white.
It’s easy to blame the dems because they should have defended better, backed more pro-worker policies, etc. But if all eligible voters voted, basically no Republicans would ever win elections in this country. Maybe then we could have some actual progress attacking dems from the left.
The South Park episode about voting always applies. It’s always the choice between a douche and a turd. But even between a giant douche and a turd sandwich, one of those choices is still objectively better.
I would not even agree the alternative choice is a turd. Were allowed to have some optimism on our potential candidates.
Living in the thick of it and that’s how I feel 😮💨.
Let’s not forget the two impeachments too
Let’s also not forget that he’s on pre-trial release in two criminal cases, and it’s not just the pre-sentencing release he’s on for cheating in the 2016 election.
As much as I’d like to make fun of the 'muricans, I’m well aware Brazil would totally do the same fucking thing with jair bolsonaro. Thankfully the fucker is ineligible for another 7 or so years, but his sons are still causing trouble.
TIL “Papa Smurf” is Brazilian
Wait what?
I know “I cast fist” from If The Emperor had a Text To Speech. In that webseries, Big E refers to Marneus Calgar as “Papa Smurf.” Marneus Calgar is the Chaptermaster of The Ultramarines, and he is Ultra-depressed.
If you haven’t seen it, it’s an excellent primer to the lore of Warhammer 40k. It’s like 99% canon, other than the fact that Big E never got a way to talk to anyone in the Imperium after the Horus Humbug happened, and Big E got trapped on The Golden Throne.
Don’t forget ol’ Boris J.
I prefer using the sobriquet BoJo
I think most countries have had a trump sometime in the last 20 years. I say this with no factual basis.
Luckily he’s too lazy to be a competent fascist.
That’s what we thought about Trump.
He’s got people to do the heavy lifting.
That’s the scary part. Maybe there are some competent people back there this time.
I have qualms about casting Harris as a “career” politician. He first election for DA was in 2003. To get from running for DA to running for US President in 21 years is a very short ride. She was born in 1964.
Hell, Trump ran for President (Reform Party) in 2000, so he’s been a “politician” longer than Harris. So if she’s a “career politician,” then so is he.
Not that there’s anything wrong with being a politician for a long time, as long as the politician is serving her constituents to their satisfaction and avoids corruption.
This take is comical. Trump ran for president in 2000 then did fuck all politically except hoard wealth until the 2016 run. Harris has been in political positions and actively working in politics for over two decades. Regardless of age, if anyone works for 20 straight years at something, it’s fair to say they’ve made a career of that thing.
This is probably the dumbest comment you could have made.
Harris has spent her entire adult life in the legal system, she was hired as a deputy district attorney in 1990. Trump starred on the apprentice and tanked like 6 businesses in that amount of time. Trumps faux run in 2000 does not compare to the 30+ year career.
It’s pathetic how anyone will give Trump credit for the stupid, minimal, joke of a job he does but Harris has to jump through flaming hoops to get the credit she deserves.
Besides simple name calling, you really do need to put like 5 more seconds into your complete line of logic. Trump’s entire career, in or out of politics, is a flaming pile of shit. How would you even mention Harris and corruption in the same sentence but completely glaze over all the actual evidence of corruption around Trump? Blows my mind the mental gymnastics that must be involved to have any line of thought comparing Trump to ANYONE. He’s an abhorrent human not even looking at his failed shitty businesses and disgusting performance as POTUS.
The writers really know how to keep the audience biting their nails, this season
Watching America edging fascism is my pastime in between watching my own country edging fascism.
