Acts of war. Also terrorism.

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“All you get to do is sit down, shut up, and continue your inaction.”

So how is that any different from what the centrists will be doing? Seems like the same outcome for the peasants either way, especially if you dont live in a swing or red state.

yep, and Israel will reliquish their hold on both parties, because thats the right thing to do, and they are the most moral country in the world… And we’ll eliminate the electoral college and make sure our politicians can no longer take bribes, especially from foreign governments. Also, we’ll jump in with both feet on climate change.

Disagree. Americans are too comfortable to do much of anything for themselves. The rise of centrism is basically being OK with whatever, and calling that clever.

“Israel has also historically been permitted to use a portion of its FMF aid to buy equipment from Israeli defense firms—a benefit not granted to other recipients of U.S. military aid”

https://www.cfr.org/article/us-aid-israel-four-charts

Personally I think your perception is part of a larger problem of a breakdown in communication and education, where people automatically assume the worst of everyone’s intentions because of either experience with other bad actors

Thats a fair accusation. Theres often a lot of bad faith in these communications, so if you are coming from a place of good faith and are here to learn, I apologize, and I’ve added a bunch of history links to my original comment, so you can interpret the history yourself.

Israel has been keeping Palestinians in a brutal and murderous apartheid state and brutalizing them for 80 years-- imprisoning them indefinitely without charges too. But you want to question what the oppressed do and why, as if it was mysterious. I’m having a hard time beleiving you when you say you want this explained to you, but I suppose I’ll take it at face value and hope for the best.

If you truly want to understand this stuff, start with a deep dive-- several actually, into history. Start with the jewish-roman wars to understand the zionist/zealot motivations. At this point the original states of Israel were 1000 years gone, having weakened themselves with civil war over taxation, then plundered and abosrbed by the neo-babylonians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish–Roman_wars

From there you’ll want to look at the expansion of the ottoman empire and jewish place in it, and how they were governed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_Ottoman_Empire This overlapped with the crusades. I recommend “empires of the sea” by crowley. Crucial in there is how the Ottoman empire depended on slaves to function, but their religion only allowed them to get slaves by capturing them in battle, and it forbade muslims from trading in slaves thesmelves, but allowed buying them. Hence the birth of slave traders as a caste, who were foriegn, and became largely a jewish group. This understandably was not well received back in Europe, where the slaves came from. The ottomans almost totally depopulated the mediteranean coasts gathering slaves. https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-031-13260-5_14 Toward the end of the ottoman empire (it was an 800 year empire), they officially tolerated muslims as slave traders. (Progress?)

You can also read up on how jews participated in and were persecuted in the crusades, and draw some conclusions as to why and how that played out. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_and_the_Crusades#:~:text=In the First Crusade%2C Jewish,Jews in France suffered especially.

Then move on to jewish presence in the region during the ottoman empire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Turkey

Read up on how jewish expulsions from european countries came about because of christianities Vix pervenit. Theres a lot there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vix_pervenit

See how because of medeival views of usury, Jews were ejcted by monarchs in europe as a way to justify seizing their assets, only to allow them back a bit later and starting the process over https://humsci.stanford.edu/feature/stanford-historian-explores-how-expulsions-became-widespread-medieval-europe

From there you can end up in the start of WW2, the jewish holocaust, and then Haganah and Irgun. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haganah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun

Partition, the UN creating a state of Israel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

Israel’s leadership thoughts at the time: https://www.progressiveisrael.org/ben-gurions-notorious-quotes-their-polemical-uses-abuses/

From there, the Nakba https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba

The six day war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War The USS liberty incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

The first and second intifada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Intifada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Intifada

Oslo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_I_Accord

The creation of hamas by Israel to thwart the PLO peace plans and two state solution https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/

9/11 and Osama bin laden, and the use and weaponization of his logic by western powers https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/binladen/who/miller.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/07/the-dangerous-logic-used-to-justify-killing-civilians/374886/

The rise of indefinite administrative detention https://apnews.com/article/israel-detention-jails-palestinians-west-bank-793a3b2a1ce8439d08756da8c63e5435

https://apnews.com/article/prison-israel-palestinians-administrative-detention-e4ffd1744a9692c2539a78a8d916176e

Storming of al aqsa mosque on oct 4 2023 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/4/israeli-settlers-storm-al-aqsa-mosque-complex-on-fifth-day-of-sukkot

https://www.npr.org/2023/10/08/1204545845/how-the-al-aqsa-mosque-became-a-flashpoint-in-the-israel-palestine-conflict

October 7 2023 attacks https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67039975

The use of the hannibal directive https://www.progressiveisrael.org/ben-gurions-notorious-quotes-their-polemical-uses-abuses/

You can google and read a lot about the negoatiations and doubts for whether Netenyahu wanted to negotiate for the release of hostages at all, and the Israelis protesting his lack of interest in getting the hostages back. You can also look at settler groups auctioning off peices of gaza, and now lebanon.

Really USA, how does anyone pretend this is OK?

We pretend a LOT of things are OK.

• School shootings comes to mind.
• laws around what women can do with their own bodies.
• Sacrifice of the environment for industry, all in the name of “jobs”.
• Starvation.
• Politicians and presidents doing obviously illegal stuff and citizens unable to do anything about it.
• American military killing with abandon all over the world.
• Police brutality and systematic violations of our rights, with little to no accountability.
• Our standards for clean food being less than everyone elses.
• Religious supremacy being tolerated, even encouraged. (Fuck your moments of silence, fuck your thoughts and prayers, fuck your pledges of allegience too while we’re at it)
• controlled media.
• Book banning.
• the “war” on drugs when other methods would have been much more effective.
• whistleblower protections dismantled.
• violence against protesters, and the existence of “protest zones” which disallows protests entirely in most areas.
• continual threats of violence and domestic terrorism by the political right, never with any accountability.
• oppression of anyone who says they are anti-fascist (antifa).
• a political system complteely captured by bribery and foreign interests, with ~1% correlation to what citizens want. There is no representation in “representitive democracy” here. Its all a big joke. We’re barely even a “republic” anymore.

And its not all republicans doing it-- although much more them than the dems-- although the dems are sliding really far rightward pretty quickly and its hard to see how it ever will be allowed to go back left.

protesting against zionist violence and land theft has all but been outlawed.

But if this was two months ago, I’d agree with that. Thats why I was hoping more people would sign onto the uncommitted movement when we had a chance to let biden/harris know that supporting genocide wasnt going to be permitted by the voters.

Rules and laws are to keep those terrible peasants in line, not to apply to the ruling class.

Creating israel in that region was a collosal mistake. It should have been made in someplace uninhabited, like a jungle somewhere, or Siberia, or the desert in the middle of Australia. They should be relocated.

If only there was something the Biden administration could do…

Seriously though, Biden has an authoritarian and racist streak and always has. He has an entire career full of “gaffes” that were always just flat out racist remarks, and his response to defund and reallocate was to increase police funding for more brutality. That guy HATES…

And if they dont learn they will get slammed again! make no mistake, we can slam them all day every day for years and decades until they stop!

Mandela died in 2013

Why would she listen to a word of it after the election?