Very few of Israeli Jews are actually Arabs. They are largely of European descent. So it is misinformation to characterize this as Arabs murdering Arabs. What this is is Western settler-colonialism.

Unless I take the extreme measure of touching grass, social media will keep me apprised unbidden.

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Roko’s basilisk, if you run an online forum for “futurist” dumbasses.

• 1896 CE: Theodor Herzl writes “The Jewish State”

• 1897 CE: Theodor Herzl writes “Mauschel”

Herzl believed that there were two types of Jews, Jiden (Yids) and Juden (Jews), and considered any Jew who openly opposed his proposals for a Zionist solution to the Jewish question to be a Mauschel. The article has often been taken, since its publication, to be emblematic of an antisemitic strain of thinking in Zionism, and has been described as an antisemitic rant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Herzl

Due to his Zionist work, he is known in Hebrew as Chozeh HaMedinah (חוֹזֵה הַמְדִינָה), lit. ‘Visionary of the State’. He is specifically mentioned in the Israeli Declaration of Independence and is officially referred to as “the spiritual father of the Jewish State”.

conflation of state and people that Hamas’s ideology clearly makes

A Document of General Principles and Policies

by largely targeting and slaughtering civilians in their homes

That is not what happened. That is what Western media said happened.

• The Intercept:
  • Netanyahu’s War on Truth
  • The Story Behind the New York Times October 7 Exposé
• Al Jazeera: Why did Israel deploy Hannibal Directive, allowing killing of own citizens?
• Electronic Intifada: How Israel killed hundreds of its own people on 7 October

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If Hamas wants to dismantle Israeli oppression through activism, negotiations, and political reform great.

1. It has tried to do that for decades. The most recent significant attempt was Great March of Return, wherein the IDF slaughtered Gazans.
2. Palestinians have the legal right under UN law to struggle against their occupiers by any means necessary, including armed struggle.
3. Israel, as an occupier, has no right to “self defense.”

Please understand the distinction between the destruction of the state of Israel and the destruction of the people of Israel. The example you were just given was the destruction of the state of South Africa.

a two state solution is fair and striving for peace and understanding between the two parties is desirable.

That sounds nice, but Israel wants no such thing and never has, despite its past claims to the contrary.

Because you’re unable to distinguish between a state and a people, you’re unable to imagine anything but the eradication of a people, even though the example of the state of South Africa was just given to you.

Don’t let the door hit you on the way out 👋

The good guys are the citizens

I’m going to have to stop you right there, because the Palestinians are not the citizens of any state: they are a people being occupied, apatheided, and genocided by the state of Israel. So there’s a “very, very simple truth” for you.

In the face of genocide, you chose to dodge the question.

This simplistic one size fits all argument falls flat when one side is being occupied and ethnically cleansed by the other side. It implies that Hamas is the “bad guy” and all other occupied Palestinians are the “good guy,” and it implies that non-military Israeli settlers are the “‘good guy.” But the truth is that the great majority of adult Israelis are militant settler-colonizers; and that Palestinians have the legal right under UN law to struggle against their occupiers by any means necessary, including armed struggle; and that Israel, as an occupier, has no right to “self defense.”

Okay, collective pseudonymous you, ya got me 👍

What “actions” are you even talking about? This is social media, there’s nothing here but words.

We’re still waiting for my Slavic tells to be revealed, Mr. philologist.

Welcome, that one other person 😂

Your English also has several tells.

I don’t know if you’re living in your own fantasy world, or if you think anyone reading this is going to believe your own ham-fisted attempts at propaganda. Since virtually no one read this far deep into a thread, I’m beginning to think it might be the former, because what’s point of making up bullshit like this if no one’s going to read it?

You just rely on “if they start engaging, I can sealion endlessly”

Are you pro-Russian?

Have you forgotten who @-ed who in this thread, or who has demanded an answer to this question a dozen times or more now, despite my having given rather detailed answers months ago?

All I did was post links to Western media sources, so I don’t see how that could be “a museum exhibit about Soviet propaganda.”

Edit to add: If you don’t want people to see links to Western media, maybe don’t @ me next time 🤷

Reality has a well-known Russian propaganda bias.

It seems that lately Western media has started “parroting Russian talking points.” Is it because all this Russian propaganda is so incredibly effective, or is it because truths are becoming harder and harder to suppress? This week:

• The Economist: Ukraine is now struggling to survive, not to win
• Responsible Statecraft: Why sanctions on Russia are literally backfiring: Moscow appeared ripe for Western-imposed economic pain after its invasion of Ukraine but today the country is thriving
• NYT: With Limited Options, Zelensky Seeks a Path Forward for Ukraine
• NYT: Russia’s Swift March Forward in Ukraine’s East
• NYT: As Russia Advances, U.S. Fears Ukraine Has Entered a Grim Phase

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Western media parroted Russian talking points before 2022 as well, but somehow in February of that year they stopped 🤔

• Reuters: Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU
• BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
• Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
• The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
• The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
• WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
• Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
• The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
• Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War

I stand by my statement that there are “approximately zero” bots on Lemmy, unless you want to include the occasional spammer or corporate shill, and even they are almost always quickly dispatched.

And there are reasons why I’m not inclined to take my government or their NGO partners at their word.

• Wall Street Journal: Mueller Doesn’t Find Trump Campaign Conspired With Russia
• Jacobin: Democrats and Mainstream Media Were the Real Kremlin Assets
• Washington Post: FEC fines DNC, Clinton for violating rules in funding Steele dossier
• Washington Post: Russian trolls on Twitter had little influence on 2016 voters
• Jacobin: It Turns Out Hillary Clinton, Not Russian Bots, Lost the 2016 Election
• Matt Taibbi: Move Over, Jayson Blair: Meet Hamilton 68, the New King of Media Fraud The Twitter Files reveal that one of the most common news sources of the Trump era was a scam, making ordinary American political conversations look like Russian spywork
• Jacobin: Why the Twitter Files Are in Fact a Big Deal On the Left, there’s been a temptation to dismiss the revelations about Twitter’s internal censorship system that have emerged from the so-called Twitter Files project. But that would be a mistake: the news is important and the details are alarming.
• MSNBC Repeats Hamilton 68 Lies 279 Times in 11 Minutes
• Jeff Gerth at Columbia Journalism Review on Russiagate: Editor’s Note | Part one | Part two | Part three | Part four
• Matt Taibbi: WMD, Part II: CIA “Cooked The Intelligence” To Hide That Russia Favored Clinton, Not Trump In 2016
• Chris Hedges: Why Russiagate Won’t Go Away