Lesson: Before you move into a new rental, find out who was there before and how long it’s been empty. I can see this situation happening a lot as more targeted people move to avoid being found, and unknowing people move into the vacated rental unit.
Marisa said the agents tore apart every square inch of the house and what few belongings they had, seizing their phones, laptops and their life savings in cash as “evidence.”
“I told them before they left, I said you took my phone. We have no money. I just moved here,” she said. “I have to feed my children. I’m going to need gas money. I need to be able to get around. Like, how do you just leave me like this? Like an abandoned dog.”
As for Marissa’s phones, electronics, and cash, they have no idea which agency has those belongings or how to get those items back.
They’re totally fucked. Each agency that was there denies responsibility and refers them to the next, which does the same.
Gonna have to replace all those electronics too, even if they’re given back.
not the suspects
Irrelevant. No one is safe in that nation.
that nation What nation do you live in?
And are you adopting? Asking for…me. I’m asking for me. No lie.
Canada, so maybe wait to see if we are invaded first.
Anyone tries invading my home without a warrant is going to get what they deserve.
I mean… they claimed they had a warrant. But who the hell knows. They seem to be happy to lie about that lately. And since they show up when everyone’s in bed and bash the door in before you can even respond, how would you know?
Likely they had an administrative warrant that doesn’t allow for a search like a judical warrant does.
in my case both the front and the back door have two doors with deadbolts and stairs to climb so you’re going to be pretty loud before you get to me and I’m going to be ready with a shotgun… but yeah I’d rather it didn’t happen.
When you check their bodies if you have a gun handy…
How’s everyone feeling about America having Nazi Gestapo and concentration camps?
I feel used to it. We had concentration camps during the FDR admin, and we’ve had gestapo since shortly after 9/11. Trump didn’t turn the US into shit, all he did was smear it on our faces.
I guess, after trying it, I’d have to say nah, not really into it.
Too bad Americans are stupid enough to have to see for themselves before they judge.
Your generalizations, friend, cut me to the quick.
Yes but is your skin a bit too dark? Yes? Then deported
Ah, they robbed them too while they were at it. If they take your shit and give no information on how to get it back, how is it not stolen?
I guess anyone moving to a new address should assume the gestapo can show up whenever they please looking for former residents.
Like how is this even possible. The whole “home invasion” style of enforcement is itself dystopian and wrong, but once you’re all done you should have some clear paperwork and accountability to hand out. That they don’t have it indicates the people involved don’t believe in due process or public accountability.
Were these people even real agents? How could she even verify that? No one should need to “look into” the matter. There should be a case number, organization, and point of contact on an official form for her. They aren’t the people and that should be easy to verify with a day, give them their stuff back.
Were these people even real agents? How could she even verify that?
Hard to say. Two of the three agencies that identified themselves to her (FBI and US Marshals) later denied having agents there.
Either they’re lying or shit is real disorganized. Or both. It’s probably both.
You know Hanlon’s razor? We need an addendum to it that I’ll be calling Trump’s razor: under the current administration, if there’s a possible explanation that’s both malicious AND stupid, that’s the most likely one.
Trump’s brown shirts terrorizing Americans.
Trump’s brown shirts terrorizing minors in their underwear.
I’m disgusted but I’m not surprised.
Probably high fived each other back at the station.
Now imagine all the other families that have been traumatized by ICE. Are people going to stand up and support one another?
Sure. I’m asking my friends to lawyer up. Not sure what else one can do against police unless you are just going for the old k-d ratio
1 k-d ratio for me please
I’m remodeling.
And if they were the “suspects,” it would have been much, much worse. She might have never seen her children again. Not because she did anything wrong or there was anything wrong with her visa, but just because they’d written her name down and decided today was her day.
2a
While defending yourself in a no knock situation could be warranted, we can’t pretend that ICE wouldn’t have then murdered the whole family. You might be able to find a sympathetic judge and jury but that’s not worth much when you and / or people you care about are dead.
That’s assuming they’ll be left in peace after the illegal gestapo raid. Who’s to say that said gestapo’s not going to put them in a truck and send him to a concentration camp in El Salvador. People have no choice but to defend themselves as if ice is at your door they’re going to kill you. Because that’s the implication
Most 2a people want to shoot people without consequence, not defend anyone.
Mate, Ive never wanted a gun for more than pew pew at the range. However, we are at the point where our 2a right to defend ourselves is actually relevant.
There are masked, plainclothes officers abducting people off the street. How do I know that they are within their legal rights?
Trump is approving breaking into peoples houses without a warrant. How do I know they have a legal right to do so?
I’m not trigger happy. If you show me a signed warrant and identify yourself so that I can verify who you are, we got no problems. Otherwise, how do I know you are who you say you are?
Trump is approving breaking into peoples houses without a warrant. How do I know they have a legal right to do so?
That’s simple. They don’t, ever. Unless the 4th amendment has been repealed, all of these raids are illegal.
That’s not going to stop you from being shot or prosecuted if you defend yourself, though.
I was thinking of a custom “Free Bullets with Every Forced Entry” sign.
They had military grade weapons .
Are their faces military grade?
Doesn’t “military grade” mean from the cheapest bidder?
So do we
We can’t use fully auto
You can. It’s illegal in your country. Just like breaking down your door without a warrant.
With the correct FFL you can.
Also there are Forced Reset Triggers.
The agents had a search warrant for the home
if the law is on their side, why are they wearing masks?
I’ve been saying this too! Why not show your faces if you think you’re doing the right thing?!?!?
No, they had a writ from DHS it was not a valid warrant.
Source? I copied that from the article.
https://www.ilrc.org/sites/default/files/resources/ice_warrants_summary.pdf
DHS issues writs for ICE but since there is no court hearing these cases, there is no warrant that ICE can obtain. The DOJ has said there is no warrant required…which is spurious as that goes against the 4th amendment. ICE will call a writ a warrant, and often journalists will write what they’re told. See these articles regarding a different arrest below
That doesn’t say anything about this case. Given it wasn’t just ICE involved, it’s possible that a judicial warrant was obtained.
There is not a court that ICE has access to that will issue a valid warrant. This is why the DOJ just said it doesn’t matter if there is a warrant or not. ICE is flagrantly defying the 4th amendment. That other case, ICE can be heard in a recording telling Mahmoud’s wife that they have a warrant. Now they say that they never had/needed one in the first place.
The issue is that ICE cannot legally get a warrant for the people they are choosing to detain as they focus on families. The “dangerous criminals” that have real warrants, those are usually served/executed by the FBI, Marshalls, or local SWAT. I don’t know if you live in the US like I do, but this is a pretty serious issue as again, these writs are not warrants, ICE does not have access to a warrant as that’s not how our courts are set up nor is it how their department was set up.
Both of the resources I listed at the top of my response explain this in depth. The last link I shared was for context.
Are those even legit anymore? Any idiot judge (or DOGE script kiddie pretending to be one) can sign one.
I’m just responding the the meme asking Police to come back with a warrant
Law enforcement officers have a duty of care. If they execute a no knock warrant at an address that is no longer valid and get shot in the process it is likely there would be no criminal culpability for the homeowner if it’s in a castle doctrine state.
Does lemmy have a sub for badlegaladvice? This comment feels like a prime candidate :)
They’re right, but only in a very theoretical sense. As in, it’s true that you can legally shoot at officers who don’t identify themselves in self-defense, but whether that’s actually how things work in court is an entirely other matter.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/08/us/kenneth-walker-breonna-taylor-dismissed-charges/index.html
I didn’t realize I was giving legal advice. I was pointing out their duty of care based on the training and education I received while pursuing a bachelors degree for law enforcement.
Was there something specific you’re taking issue with or did you just want to snark?
Wasn’t there an executive order issued today that seemed to imply that wouldn’t matter?
If there was, I didn’t see it but as the Executive will find out if there was, it’s not up to them, it’s up to the Judicial.
The person currently occupying the White House is not a king. Much as he might like to believe otherwise.
I’m a law abiding citizen of the United States. If someone breaks into my home have every reason to believe they’re hostile and won’t hesitate to use deadly force to protect myself and my family.
is not a king
Even if be were called “King” rather than “President”, the Constitution is still a thing. He can call himself whatever, really.
Funny thing is, many citizens of the US seem to have less rights and priviledges than subjects of the UK.
Just as there is no for cops murdering pretty much anyone for anything on the clock. “Standing your ground” to these bastards is plain playing with fire. If you’re not perfectly white and very lucky, you’ll be just signing your own death warrant.
