Give it time… I feel like a lot of the creative web is sort of reawakening. A lot of the existing web and social media encourages and models this kind of slot machine interaction and I think it will take some time for people to come back to a more contributory tradition.

My experience from !communities@ponder.cat:

• MAU divided by total subscribed users, I found to be quite a good metric. It prioritizes new communities (maybe a little bit too much at the expense of more established communities, for your purposes) and requires them to have recent activity. The only flaw is that one post that blows up in an otherwise quiet community can spike that metric way way up for the whole month, but maybe that’s fine.
• I think crawling every node once a week or something, making a small handful of queries to get all the community counts, is probably more than fine.
• Yeah that stddev sounds too high, maybe look at a plot and check the math

Tito smoking Cuban cigars in the White House while sitting down with Nixon is also hilarious.

Nixon told him, “Mr. President, we don’t smoke in the White House.”

Tito laughed and said, “Lucky you!” and finished his cigar and no one attempted again to make him stop.

This is where my real concern lies, the suspension AND partial application of habeas corpus is essentially – in my view – a casus belli due the public. Habeas corpus must be universal in its application by the state, or the federal-state must be seen as a direct threat to the civilian public. They’ve tested the waters on this already in prior protests. At what point do we admit that it’s no longer being honored by the federal-state and realize that we’ve been stripped of our right to accuse those who have wronged us – also part of due process – and take matters into our own hands to restore our rights?

Yeah. The entire concept of American governance was that the people in the country fight to maintain control of their own government, and then take responsibility for it running properly. We’ve wandered pretty far from that at this point. To a large degree because the tools that we might use to coordinate and organize the fight have been co-opted by people who want to run the government on their own behalf.

Apologies for the long winded response, apparently I had more to say on this than I realized. TL;DR we agree, apparently – as I’ve just come to realize – the only difference is that I believe that we’re already at war, just not entirely de facto.

Agreed. Yeah, I was talking just about what the desired end state should be once democracy is reestablished, not saying we shouldn’t be vigorously defending ourselves right now.

Türkiye

Yeah I think any time you hear someone in the “geopolitics” part of the government talk about antisemitism you can safely assume it’s that second thing.

Christie attempted to assassinate Spanish fascist Francisco Franco, serving three years in prison before being released

That seems like a surprisingly short incarceration.

Older readers might be interested in this one.

Un called for

I’m addressing what you said, in a succinct way. If it’s a little too unclear, then:

The real underlying question is ‘are those that violate social contacts due the protections of said social contracts’?

No, they’re not. But, you have no idea who has violated the social contract unless you have due process.

Those that you’re not sure yet have violated the social contract, because it hasn’t been proven, are due the protections of said social contracts. Yes. That’s the trial phase. Then, after that, we decide they might not be due the protection of the same social contract. That’s the punishment phase. They’re different. It is extremely popular in times of crisis to start to skip ahead to punishment without trial, as part of the official process, because things are so dire, and that’s explicitly what this person was advocating for. That is wrong. Because you’ll wind up punishing people who haven’t violated any social contract at all.

Are we still bound by the rules of a contract that another party actively violated, in regards to that party?

No. But once it gets to a broad scale, and due process breaks down on all sides as people start a big melee for their own safety against their enemies, things can get very very bad.

Sometimes there’s no way around that, of course. That’s what we call a war. Maybe that’s where we are headed. But deciding ahead of time that you’re going to abandon due process within a civil society, because of how dangerous it is that your opponents want to abandon due process, is just hastening the phase of “might makes right.” It’s pretty hard to come back from that once it happens. A lot of people have had to grapple with this, notably the allies after World War 2 trying to figure out how to punish the guilty. If they’d gone with this “they’re SO bad that they don’t deserve due process” type of thing, Oskar Schindler would probably be dead.

If you answer yes, this leads to the ‘paradox of tolerance.’

No. Not having the trial and doing nothing, or having the trial and then not doing the punishment, is tolerance. Having the trial and then punishing is justice. Not having the trial and doing the punishment anyway is terror. I’m not aware of a time when that was the solution that didn’t go horribly sideways almost instantly.

There are times when there was some massive crime against humanity and the paradox of tolerance prevented effective resolution, and it was very bad. Reconstruction is a good example. But just doing arbitrary punishment for anyone some random person decides is guilty is ten times worse. Even if you get it right 100% of the time, which you won’t, it sets a precedent that is horrifyingly hard to stop once people have gotten in the habit.

Seems a little more clear spelled out that way?

Yeah. People said 100% the same thing about Hitler. He was a clown, he was the weird guy that came to fundraisers and scarfed all the food because he didn’t have any money, and scared away donors and political allies because he would get in their face yelling about Jews. Until, all of a sudden, his big opponents got sent to the camps or just killed, and it wasn’t funny.

They’re doing a great job at following the playbook so far. People are upset but no one’s really done that much to stop them, which means it will continue and get worse.

“I don’t want this guy setting fire to our shared apartment building. That’s a violation of the social contract. So I’m going to set fire to our shared apartment building. That’ll show him.”

Yeah. Even if they were just anti-West, it would be fine. I talked with someone around the first time Trump got elected who was super in favor of him, and he explained to me “The US keeps fucking up my country, and so if they put a moron in charge and he fucks up your country instead then (a) good (b) you deserve it © maybe then you’ll leave us alone.” I had absolutely no room to disagree with him. It made perfect sense.

But on Lemmy, it’s never that. It’s always “There is no genocide in Xinjiang you’re just deluded by Western propaganda anyway it’s all NATO’s fault that half of Ukraine is a big rubble field and graveyard and Russia never lies, here watch Tucker Carlson and Dmitri Peskov, there’s a couple of guys who’ve got their heads on straight.” I guess it is cognitive dissonance, nobody wants to just say “Yes I am on team murderer because I don’t like your government, and regardless of what I say or do my guys are going to keep killing Ukrainian kids, so what’s the point of my trying to say they shouldn’t.”

Did these guys actually have soap on their shoes, or they just do that anyway?

I will for-real never understand the connection between “I like communism and power for working people” and “I support China and Russia.” The two statements simply have nothing at all to do with each other, they’re not compatible. I’ve asked some of them to explain it to me, and the closest I’ve gotten to an answer has been more or less that they don’t like the US, so they will support an enemy of the US, no matter how horrifying the enemy is or what crimes they are committing or whether they are communist or not.

Congratulations, guys, you invented CIA logic. It was one of the dominant forces making the 20th century worse, which is saying quite a lot, and now you’re deep-throating it like you’re training for an event.

I mean I was super happy to see when I first came to Lemmy and found out that communism and so on were common. It shows a healthy exchange of real differing views, it’s more similar to the old internet or BBS culture where you can find people who are for-real doing their own thing, not just Facebook or Google News or whatever other nightmare that the chaotic landscape that used to be the internet has become.

Since then, I’ve gotten more familiar with them, and the shine has come off the rose a little bit lol. But I say that because of the particular breed of hard-authoritarian communism and all these dishonest and hateful ways of interacting that they all seem to have, not because I have a problem with communism.

“Nothing compares to the excitement of stepping foot in the airport for the start of a summer holiday, and this new soundtrack perfectly captures those feelings,”

This is what happens when you don’t have enough bullying in your schools

Oh God, what did the Hyprland guy do

It’s getting hard to keep up

Fucking commie is fine. Genocide denier, not so much.

This whole situation is rotten. 😞

Completely agree. Democracy just can’t function if a third of the people in the country don’t want it, and just want their faction to rule by force, and that’s where we’re at right now.

All I’m saying is that postwar Germany is probably the best I am aware of out of a selection of bad historical precedents for how you recover from that situation into something approximating a stable and safe society. Organized trials with due process for anyone who killed innocent people or otherwise participated in the worst of the horrors, and acceptance of the idea that a lot of people, especially at the bottom of the org chart, just aren’t going to “get it” that anything that they did was wrong.

I think once the tribalism gets engaged firmly in people’s heads, where their faction is the one with God on its side and anyone who’s an enemy deserves to be snuffed out, you can’t really fix them from the outside. They have to either come to it themselves, or not, and in the meantime life has to move on as best it can. The problem with Germany as a precedent is that there was someone from outside to come and impose it…

Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCHeFjADTTs

Well, but that’s just a bad opinion. I don’t think we need to go full-on attack mode against any particular person who has any particular “incorrect” opinion even if it is hateful or whatever. People can just talk it out. I’m probably in the minority on that, I know that it’s popular at this point to go on the attack against anyone who steps on any one of a set of particular rhetorical land mines. I just feel like by doing that, you aren’t really educating anyone, you’re just introducing coercion into the equation and teaching people to be dishonest about what they believe if they don’t want to get attacked.

The issue with Dessalines that I haven’t seen from Nutomic is that he requires everyone else to have bad opinions, too, and will ban or attack them if they ever express anything other than his own bad opinions, on certain topics. That’s a lot more toxic to me than someone just saying something that I think is ignorant.