I hope people stop believing the bullshit that’s trying to get progressives to not vote or to vote for 3rd parties. Progressives absolutely can win democrat tickets, and that’s exactly why there’s so much propaganda trying to convince people otherwise. Progressives have a lot of political power right now, and the whole system can swing left if people don’t just give up. Progressives giving up is the only play the right has.
Progressives should absolutely vote in primaries and lower contests. They should also make it very clear there are limits to their graciousness when our president supports blatant war crimes and genocide.
I don’t disagree. But we’re living in interesting times.
I don’t like most of the people on the ticket I’ll be given in November, but you know what’s objectively worse? Actual fascism. Fascism always ends in genocide, and these white Christian nationalists aren’t even trying to hide it, going mask-off even before they have the power to back it up.
When fascists can be this bold and still keep their seats of power, that’s quite worrying.
As I saw someone say earlier, we’re in democracy triage.
I’d vote for Biden’s corpse before trump or not voting. We must wrest all power from the fascists before we can squabble about who’s more left.
We must be able to effectively fight it though. And blindly voting for the elite approved opposition ends in them holding the door open for fascists every time.
Graciousness? I don’t think that’s the right word…you don’t vote for someone because you’re being gracious, you vote for someone because you think they’ll deliver what you want - or in this case perhaps, the closest person who actually stands a hope in hell of getting elected.
Oh no. It’s graciousness to vote for the guy you lost to and who went out of his way to break campaign promises on unions, climate change, and immigration. Another term is good loser.
But the point is there’s limits. There have to be limits or else you’re not a loser in a political contest, you’re a blind supporter they never need to actually listen to.
The only other option is trump. Are you trying to get people to vote for trump? If so, why?
Ah yes, Reddit, and a Biden specific sub. The very material of unbiased analysis.
Also. You’re responding to something pre-debate. There are very definitely other options now. Run a debate series with select candidates, open a comment period with the state parties, and culminate in an open convention.
Despite his efforts, Dolan’s message did not gain enough traction. His campaign, funded largely by personal loans, couldn’t match Ocasio-Cortez’s $8 million war chest.
You people are living in an oligarchy and “who has more money for this season” being a perfectly normal news bit outside of popular sports is completely insane.
That’s because billionaires have purchased SCOTUS. The outcome of a single court case has allowed unlimited money from whomever into election campaigns.
You realize that “you people” includes you, correct?
Or are the mega rich treated just like everyone else where you are?
If so, where is this magical land of fairness?
https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/party-financing lots of countries limit how much can be given to politicians
Eh… There are a variety of end-runs around this mechanism.
Hiring politicians on as lobbyists or allowing friends and family to sit on private run boards and trusts can create a back channel for money to flow into a politician’s pockets. Public money can be funneled into private profits for which the supporting politicians are also stockholders. And politicians can receive discounted/free services from friendly private sector constituencies. FOX News, the classic example, is a multi-billion dollar network dedicated to running Republican-friendly media. But when corporate lobbyists and political strategists can be found everywhere from the boards of NPR/PBS to the guest chairs of MSNBC to the editorial rooms of the WaPo/WSJ/NYT, there’s really no safe spaces left.
You can mitigate the direct “bag of cash for favors” effect that, say, John Boehner cutting tobacco lobbyist checks on the floor of the House has produced in the past. But you can’t keep public sector administrators from finding ways to receive kickbacks via private sector channels unless you completely divorce these institutions.
Eh… There are a variety of end-runs around this mechanism.
There are any number of hypothetical end-runs around just about anything you can think of, that doesn’t make protections, mechanisms, controls, or safeties useless.
In the US, political bribery is nearly 100% legal. I’d rather have some hoops for corrupt officials to jump through. We don’t even make them break a sweat in this country.
There are any number of hypothetical end-runs
Not even hypothetical. We just had the SCOTUS kick down the door on legal bribery in Snyder v United States.
I’d rather have some hoops for corrupt officials to jump through
I mean, if we’ve got a magic lamp I can do better than a few hoops. But the system is of the corrupt, by the corrupt, for the corrupt.
At some point, you’re forced to recognized the farce of democracy at work.
IIRC, people were talking about places in this thread that aren’t the US.
As stated, political bribery in the US is nearly 100% legal. You can even study it in school and make a career out of it.
The Canadian system has it’s own share of corruption and bribery. Just check out Rob Ford, ffs.
I do not life in the US. However because of US hegemony and my country being a suck up to the US i have to follow what is going on there.
But in case there is any doubt. The country i live in, which is Germany is corrupt and authoritarian with a complicit public and private media as well as the “center” parties moving further to the right and helping fascism rise faster than ever before. The “liberal” middle class are to a large extent just self delusional racists and the country will become a fascist hellhole in the next ten years.
So if you have the opportunity, please help spread awareness about all the shit happening here too.
Yes, that’s right. The last European elections at the latest showed impressively that those dull people who are unable to see through the PR campaigns of the powerful are not an exclusive US problem. It is of course absolutely right that we in Europe rely far too much on the Americans and should set stricter limits to their capitalism, which in my opinion is completely out of joint. But I fear that we have already gotten too far into this quagmire. This is precisely why it is all the more important to raise awareness of this and to name those who are actually responsible for falling living standards and growing inequality - the US-type opportunists, the hangers-on and especially the blatant fascists in the ranks of our politicians and our societies. I am not at all convinced that the reasonable people have a shot, but I sure will continue to make an effort.
Feels like the whole world is on the same trajectory.
It is, expect everything to lurch to the right for the foreseeable future. Get ready for more humanitarian crises as we in the west increase sending climate and conflict refugees back to countries of origin or 3rd countries for “asylum processing” as climate change really starts to bite.
Also, I hope you enjoy Cold War 2: Arctic Summer Melt.
Politics shift to the right when people feel disparity, and their future looks break. Politics shift left when people feel optimistic about their future.
Which is absolutely fucking stupid because we need leftist politics when the future looks bleak and when the future looks rosy that is the time to be more conservative about change…
But we’re just human, we do everything ass backwards :/
We are the smartest of all the dumb animals in this world. Nothing more.
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Jesus fuck you people claim it’s rigged no matter who wins
Headline: “Person with most money wins race handily”
Far Left Antifa CCP Tankie on Lemmy: “Damn, seems like the sheer volume of money is determining the winners of these races”
Reasonable Rational Centrist: “STFU, you stupid idiot! Why can’t you just be happy that the person with the most money won?!”
I like how that guy thinks the hive mind complains when progressives win because of “corporate donations”
Clearly Jamaal Bowman isn’t as progressive as George Latimer, but Lauren Boebert’s progressive bonafides pushed her through.
Yeah, that’s how elections work. If it were in good faith, it’d be a valid complaint. But it’s not. It’s just another thing they pulled from a hat labeled “how can we make Democrats look bad here?”
The DNC are not moderates. They are economic far right with imperialist foreign and racist internal policy, but some LGBT rights sprinkled in between.
And i am quite sure if people like Sanders or Stein would win it will definitely not be because of corporations funding them, more the opposite actually.
Yeah, Stein was funded by Putin and his buddies.
I don’t know why you’re being downvoted:
“Building support for Stein was one of a “roster of themes” the Moscow-sanctioned internet trolls “turned to repeatedly,” report says.”
that’s not funding.
Moderate? Marty Dolan is a full-blown conservative. Why do we keep pretending like being a Democrat means you can’t be a conservative? The DNCs entire top brass is conservative. It’s a conservative party by objective international standards.
Because the Overton window in the United States has many people viewing fascists as friends and anyone further left than center right as “extreme left wing socialist communist Nazi terrorists”.
I hate it when ignorant people conflate Nazis and communists. I have argued with so many dumb people who think that the Nazis were a Socialist party, when the exact opposite is true. These people probably think that the DPRK is democratic, too.
Well if’n it weren’t properly a democracy how comes that 'ere Kim fella put it in the name, huh?
“No MODERATE CHALLENGERS want to work anymore!!!”
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It’s a very progressive district, that’s how she got elected in the first place. This is not a surprise.
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I bet my politics fit closer to the other guy, but I’d still vote for AOC between the two because she has a national influence and disproportionate power in the Caucus. If you’re actually voting to influence Congress towards helping your district in particular, AOC might get that done even if it’s secondary to her national political project. Some moderate guy in a safe D seat would absolutely never get anything for your district.
In the rest of the Western world, AOC would be considered a moderate.
Welcome to the US where the left is still right of center
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Moderate: Conservative Democrat/I Can’t Believe It’s Not A Republican
Good. Anyone described as a “moderate” in the US is actually a conservative at best. Anyone described as a “conservative” is actually a fascist at best.
I hate this divisive bullshit. Democracies require pluralities. You need to be a big tent party to govern.
The most divisive people in politics don’t want that big tent to be a governable coalition. If you appeal to big tent politics they start trying to incite violence including political subjugation of the same opponents that you’re trying to appeal to. You’ll see them around.
Reality check: Repubs are trying to elect an insurrectionist promising to be a dictator. I’m sorry facts are divisive, I don’t like the situation either.
Sorry. how does AOC defeating democratic moderate in a primary impact a republican getting elected. I don’t think moderate D’s or voting R on the presidential ballot. A moderate Democrat is still voting democrat.
An article about an election without any numbers. How tight was the race? How many people voted? We will never know. In fact, the whole article contains no information that wasn’t known beforehand. Probably written beforehand and just put online by a timer as the result was not surprising. News media is going downhill faster and faster.
Better source: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-primary-elections/new-york-us-house-district-14-results
Landslide win for AOC. Maybe USA today just didn’t want us to know how absolutely not close the race was?
That’s exactly it.
The lies in MSM aren’t what they say, it’s what they don’t say.
The best place to see this is at Planet Fitness, or similar place with TVs constantly tuned to all the major outlets. Watch them all at once and observe what each isn’t saying.
This sounds like you were going to segue to today’s sponsor, Ground News.
Suck it AIPAC.
Will you people shut up about the DNC/Israel/“Them” rigging everything now?
Why? We get to tell the truth and apparently deeply bother you all at once. Seems like a win-win for everyone but you , and you don’t matter.
I don’t expect you to actually stop, I just expect to expose you as disingenuous partisans.
Feels like you’re pushing an agenda here that doesn’t really coincide with reality.
After what happened to Jamaal Bowman. Not a fucking chance.
Oh, did people pointing out the unfair latitude given to your favorite genocidal nation make you upset? Whoops.
Oh shit we got a new troll in da house
It amazes me that primaries are held this late in the year. It’s only four months or so until the election.
The Dem presidential primary still has like two more months.
Biden and his pick for DNC chair set the date, they could have made it whenever.
They choose after the deadline to get on all 50 ballots for some reason.
Dems? Primary?
ROFL.
Why make election season much longer than needed?
Printing ballots can be done quite quickly.
And is 6 months of campaigning really better than 2 months?
Ffffuuuuuuucccckkk no its not better. It’s just that our system predated most parliaments, and as such the founding fathers made some stupid choices that made it utterly impossible to amend basic quailty of life changes for our democracy.
What did the founding fathers decide that made it impossible to have short election seasons in the US?
The process to amend the constitution. It’s all but impossible given modern politics, and that’s largely been true for 50 years and counting.
Only in America. Other counties campaign for a few weeks. The US turns it into a 12 month fund raising and media spectacular, with primaries at the halfway point.
A while back, HR 1 For the People Act promised to remedy much of the issue but it never got a vote in the senate because Republicans held the Senate Speaker until the next congress was formed.
And because, having gotten back in power, Dem leadership didn’t take it up again as they too are getting rich from the current system.
Same reason Biden is talking about a potential tax on the rich but won’t ever be caught talking about repealing the Trump tax raise on the working class that actually happened.
The Trump tax cut expires next year. Biden has promised not to renew it if he’s reelected.
Get informed.
Uh huh.
And he didn’t repeal it why?
Personal loans. Ouch.
Hopefully it’s a painful enough lesson he never comes near politics again.
Good for her. Sucks that Jamaal Bowman lost though.
Yeah, having to listen to Steve Innskeep gleefully break the news of Bowman’s defeat on NPR this morning was not a great way to start the day.
And of course NPR frames it as confirmation that voters support genocide, not that AIPAC uses GOP money to sabotage the Democratic party. Their reporting is getting worse and worse by the day.
Listening to NPR is like consuming pure Liberal Zionist propaganda
They’re pretty bad on Israel, yeah. All Things Considered is particularly terrible.
Innskeep and Mary Louise Kelly get me pissed of more than anyone else. Or Ayesha Roscoe. They’re all terrible interviewers.
To be fair, frogs are pretty dope.
This is the wrong post, but my point stands.
It was the comment this post needed. Thank you
What does “moderate” mean, owned by some corp?
Yeah:
“We need to freeze the border and send that message to the world to stop the death and casualties along the way,” says Dolan. “The Republicans are right on this issue. But that doesn’t make me a Republican. No party is right on every issue.”
On his campaign website, Dolan who has served as managing director at banks including Lehman Brothers, Morgan Stanley and JPMorgan Chase, puts the city’s current plight thus: “Bail reform a disaster, the National Guard in the subway, toothpaste locked up in drugstores but criminals running free.
It’s hilarious to me that 40 years ago this person would have been solidly Republican. Now he’s a “moderate Democrat”. This term now means “conservative that doesn’t like Trump saying the quiet part out loud”
A lot of money has been pouring into propagandizing liberals in big progressive cities about crime specifically. Trying to promote a crime hysteria. And then part 2 of that plan is to recall the progressive politicians and elect in Republicans who will claim to fix everything.
It’s had only modest success in actually electing Republicans so far but I get the sense it’s a long game. People have absolutely bought into the “crime is at an all time high” lies.
