I mentioned that I voted, and they naturally asked me who I voted for. I said, “De la Cruz. Third party.”
“Sorry, I didn’t quite catch that?”, one of them said, and the whole group looked at me a bit puzzled — so I reiterated, “De la Cruz, a third-party candidate.”
“…Wait, there’s a *THIRD* party?”
Do you really believe this is true? I can probably hit a list of 20 that he reversed or removed, if you want to switch away from pure bait and into something factual.
Tell me, what Trump policies did he expand? What are some of the many?
Biden didn’t close Trump’s camps (and Obama started most of them!), he just renamed them.
Biden let most of Trump’s executive orders stand and didn’t reverse them.
Fucking DeJoy is still running the Post Office, and that’s after his attempts to ratfuck the previous election!
Biden handed out more oil drilling permits than Trump did!
Biden dished out more money for foreign proxy wars than Trump did. The mass murder campaign still going on in Palestine is under his watch, approved and financed accordingly!
Do you have any fucking ground to stand upon at all or are you just going to post more passive-aggressive shit?
THEN FUCKING DO IT.
This one’s a whole can of worms that would require some level of good faith and listening for me to explain fully. Short answer, Biden tried to change the US’s immigration policy several times and it didn’t work. It’s fundamentally a terrible system, and he did some amount to change that and didn’t hit the gas on its most terrible features like Trump did, but it’s still terrible today, and we can say that it’s okay to hold him responsible for that since at the end of the day, the buck stops with him. I have more I could say on it that you would interpret as liberal bullshit, but you’re not a million miles off base.
Biden reversed 31% of them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_executive_orders_by_Donald_Trump
I don’t know what your metric for, “just about all” is. I think you’ll have to get more specific than just the raw number. I have no real idea which ones are most significant or whether specific ones in those significant areas were left or undone.
To me, Biden did great on the climate, horrendous on enabling genocide in Gaza, and great on undoing the great fuckening of the working class that’s been a project since 1980. With both of those “greats” calibrated within the limits of what he could do within our pretty dystopian governmental system. Those are the biggest things I care about. If you want to talk specific actions, bring up the actions instead of just generalities about how many orders.
There’s a popular way of talking about Biden’s impact on the climate that’s crafted by the right wing to depress support for the Democrats among the left, so that they can get people in who really want to destroy the climate, by making it sound like there’s no difference between the parties.
The IRA is the biggest climate action an American president has ever done, ten times over. It’s predicted by experts to roughly double the reduction in greenhouse gas emissions every year:
https://www.princeton.edu/news/2023/07/12/new-study-evaluates-climate-impact-ira
That’s not enough. It’s laughable. But how he got a bunch of American politicians including Joe Manchin to agree to that much, I have no idea.
It needs to be doubled again, this year or ideally 15 years ago, to make a difference. If someone comes out saying that we need to redouble the thing 5 times over to make a significant difference, and laugh in the face of this 4% shit, that sounds great to me. I would support that. If someone cherry-picks particular ways of looking at it, counting permits being one of those ways, that don’t really reflect what it did for emissions, and then argues that it’s not worth voting because Trump would be basically the same, I’m going to be suspicious of their motives.
I don’t know why I spent this much time laying out facts about how I look at it. I may not continue. But you said factual things, so I’m willing to have at least a short factual conversation about what happened.
Lol. I am king passive-aggressive. I don’t need anyone’s help at being liberal or smug. But someone from Hexbear complaining that they’re talking to someone who’s not being nice to them in their tone and presentation is fucking hilarious.
I’ll talk facts for at least a short time, if you want to, but let’s not get ourselves confused about who took a shit in this particular paddling-pool and made it all unpleasant to have a conversation in.
In other words, you will believe everything and anything about the camps except the material reality that the camps are not fucking closed.
That’s fucking pathetic. That’s a win to you?
AGAIN, you will believe everything and anything except the material reality that Biden handed out more drilling permits than Trump did.
Trying to own it doesn’t make it less obnoxious, you liberal clown.
Once again,
So far your facts have been desperately coated in
about why Biden was so ineffectual and by your own admission that at least 69% of those executive orders from Trump stand.
If you want to keep showing your whole ass, continue. Just lay off on the passive-aggression and the
coating of each and every Biden failure (or deliberate victory for the ruling class, as intended).
If you’re going to complain about your liberal bloviating not being received well while wishing death and suffering on everyone else here, then after that smugly and masturbatorially claiming you’re here to “talk facts for at least a short time” at least pick a lane before you’re banned.
That image didn’t show up and it was surely liberal cringe shit anyway so I don’t want to see it.
Just a clarification, I’m not at all wishing death and suffering on anyone here. I am predicting it for a lot of them that are in the US, if Trump wins, but it’s not at all what I want. Not wanting people to suffer is precisely why I’m talking with you all. It’s not because it’s fun. This creatively backwards reception so everyone can get busy dunking is precisely the kind of big-brain thinking that leaves you all unwelcome in most places even on Lemmy.
It seems there is to be no meeting of the minds. I think I’m okay with that.
You already made it clear that you’re a passive-aggressive coward that loathes people that don’t agree with your copium-loaded dubious “facts” that even as presented make Biden look like the Blue MAGA also-ran he always was.
The bloodthirsty liberal lanyard status quo warriors aren’t inviting Hexbears to the wine cave. What a loss.
You presented nothing of value and nothing we haven’t seen here many times already.
Then get the fuck out.
The only thing I’m predicting that I’m meeting your mind with is an icepick
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you did that by being a part of it you fucking donkey
Well you would know this if you’d engaged with the arguments put forth by some of the many many many people who responded to you before @UlyssesT@hexbear.net did (myself included). The fact you still act oblivious to these things makes it ever more clear that you’re just a regular schmuck who mistakes their farts for the smell of roses. You’re not here to convince anyone of anything, nor are you here in good faith or in the interest of discussion. You’re here because you’re a shitty person who lacks basic humility and decency and you want to be told that it’s actually completely fine to vote for genocide.