An American citizen born and raised in California is unsettled after receiving an e-mail from the US Department of Homeland Security ordering him to leave the country “immediately.”
Aldo Martinez-Gomez received the DHS notice on April 11, threatening “criminal prosecution” and fines if he does not depart within seven days.
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Martinez-Gomez works full-time assisting immigrants in court for a non-profit and believes his advocacy work may have placed him on the government’s radar.
Where are they getting these emails from? I don’t mean where they are sent from, but the email addresses? Do US citizens share their email with the government?
Martinez-Gomez works full-time assisting immigrants in court for a non-profit
This is quite the Hanlon’s Razor situation.
There have been a number of US citizens who have received these emails, all of them do some kind of work related to immigration. It’s pretty clear that whoever sent out these emails just collected every email related to immigration work, and sent out a mass email. That satisfies Hanlon’s Razor: “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.”
But! The fact that they’re doing this without even a passing effort at accuracy, with no concern about getting it wrong, shows how it’s motivated by malice too. It’s the ICE version of a reckless homicide, they’re doing something they have to know would normally get them fired if not charged. But, they don’t care because the current racist administration is going to revel in the pain.
So, it’s a weird situation where Hanlon’s Razor is both right and wrong.
Basically you’re saying, attribute the email to stupidity; attribute the stupidity to malice.
I think anybody who wasn’t malicious would be very careful about this process. They would know that a mistake was possible and that they should triple-check everything they were doing. So, it’s more that the stupidity is the evidence for the malice. That, and the fact that there wasn’t a massive apology and attempt to correct the mistake when these news stories started coming out.
Is there reason to believe that Hanlon’s Razor is correct?
Yeah, Occam’s razor.
Occam’s Razor comes from a 14th century priest who studied logic. It’s been gone over by philosophers in the centuries since and is generally considered valid.
Hanlon’s Razor comes from a joke book published in 1980.
While true, the intent behind Hanlon’s has been expressed for millennia. The Principal of Charity (which was only named in the 1950s)
Basically, never assume the worst about someone.
The problem here is when there is actual malice. But that’s when Occam’s razor comes in.
Hanlon’s Razor is basically a special case of Occam’s Razor.
Making a mistake or doing something stupid is easy. Conspiring to do something malicious is not as easy. The simpler explanation is generally that something is a mistake rather than an elaborate conspiracy. So, Occam’s Razor says that the simplest explanation (a mistake) is probably the right one.
It’s just razors all the way down…
Is it? Hitchens’ razor says that you’ve provided no evidence for your turtle-like stack of razors, so your claim can be dismissed without evidence.
“Criminal prosecution” requires a system of law. However the lawless dictator that overthrew the throne has no intention of acknowledging that there is a system of law in place that doesn’t benefit him directly.
So, this could end poorly.
In an email? I would have just, rightfully so, assumed it was some type of scam.
It is a scam backed by the executive branch.
I am now completely jaded. Whatever faith I had in institutions has completely eroded. If nobody gets held accountable, who’s to say everything isn’t a scam? I guess you gotta just use the duck method.
I hope he gets armed guards. ICE is a trafficking gang.
this requires coordination. we have to work harder.
This is why they aren’t allowing due process, which would expose many more “mistakes”. There’s likely many more who were already sent to the El Salvador concentration camp than just Kilmar Abrego Garcia. For example, this poor guy. How many more?! 😠
This is why I said, the first time it happened with that immigration lawyer, she should have immediately brought it to a judge.
This will keep happening until there’s some kind of court action.
And then it’ll just keep happening because there is zero enforcement.
These aren’t mistakes. The cheeseburger Gestapo are coming.
Yup. They are seeing how many people they can disappear without anyone noticing
Fuck these fixing incompetent fascist.
Honestly as a American born Asian American, I’m just wondering when this will be happening to me.
Same. I was telling my wife I’m legitimately afraid to be walking around by myself now. I used to feel safe wherever I went and now I am always looking over my shoulder or scoping things out before I get out of my car…just to get groceries or something.
This is fucked.
Maybe you should try to move to Canada.
Yup. I’ve told my wife that when they do come, I’m not one to go quietly.
Remember that 2A is for everyone, pepper spray is legal, and check your knife laws and your 1st amendment right to protest is still a thing.
I actually just got one of those relica practice pistols that uses CO2 cartridges to shoot pepper balls at up to 350fps.
It’s non-lethal, but it’ll still hurt a bit.
The point of the pepperball gun being? You know they’ll shoot you dead when they spot it, right?
Might as well be carrying the real thing instead.
Not everyone has the ability to kill someone, even in self defense. Some folks aren’t built to take lives, and there’s nothing wrong with that.
Fair enough but in that case maybe don’t carry a gun at all. Like I said, it’s basically suicidal.
Regardless of the current, evolving circumstances, law enforcement officers treat any gun as a deadly weapon. So they will shoot first & ask questions later.
First they came for the …
Doesn’t matter when.
It will.
Unless you and everyone else start to speak up for the others.
speak up? how about get armed and coordinated?
First saw this pop up on LA local news IG account, knew something was up with all the trolling responses dominating. There’s really no way to even report fake/suspiscious accounts over there. Very glad/relieved to see rational comments here.
they just open the database and search for “gomez”
One of these days they’ll mess with the wrong Gomez
If I were a judge, him using “I’m not trying to be…” would be all the evidence I’d need to prove he’s an American citizen. They must think I’m Boo Boo the Fool if they deport that man.
I read that the reason this happens is that immigrants use their lawyers’ email when filling out immigration forms instead of using their own email.
If that’s the case, why is the email addressed to him and not one of his client’s names? How would you even know which one it’s supposed to be going to?
Looking at the body and subject in the scan of the printout of the email indicates they didn’t specify his name.
His name appears in the To: line of the header, but without the opportunity to examine the raw headers of the email, I would assume that his mail client replaced his email address with his name for display purposes.
While there is certainly more than enough incompetence, it seems clear that it falls short of actually targeting him.
Failing to provide the name of the person in the body of the email is incomptetence.
Fox included the disclaimer about contact email… but IMO the person who built the mail merge was incompetent and that will not prevent ICE from coming after Aldo.
It is a huge mess. How can someone write a letter that does not contain the addressee? Let alone a letter that is threatening you to run away or else.
How can someone write a letter that does not contain the addressee?
It’s easier to bulk send them this way. No need for a mail merge, just spam it out to everyone on your list. Efficiency!
This is not the happy timeline.
You’re expecting competence from this administration?
I get your point, but YES we should expect competence. Don’t give up.
Writing a letter is quite literally something you learn to do in second grade…knowing how to do that isn’t remotely where the bar for competency is.
Not if cheeto is hiring.
