That’s how long it will take to rebuild US foreign policy, 60 years. I hope Rand is correct, fuck the GOP.
I fail to see how that is a bad thing.
They might have to eschew morals and start gaslighting the populace to regain influence.
Wait…
We can only hope.
Rand Paul is educated but not smart. But he’s right here, and now there is nothing he or anyone can do about it. I do hope this is the beginning of the comeuppance the GOP so desperately, desperately needs.
He doesn’t give a shit about the mass starvation, shantytowns, global economic depression, and rise of Nazism into the largest war in human history that left hundreds of millions dead. No, he’s worried because his party wasn’t in power.
Fuck yourself with the largest, sharpest cactus that exists on the planet, you slimy, snivelling pathetic excuse for a fucking human, Rand Paul.
Oh no, what if democrats gain power and give us all healthcare and actually take care of the sick and poor. Wouldn’t that be terrible?
Oh no, what if democrats gain power and give us all healthcare and actually take care of the sick and poor. Wouldn’t that be terrible?
It would be unexpected.
Means they will have another go at undoing all that, is the circle of shit life.
The circle of sociopathy.
He doesn’t have a party, he follows money and his popularity with his crazy fuckin base. The Republican party bought him just like they bought Reagan and I’m still not sure how anyone could be fooled by the exact same playbook.
I read your first paragraph as a prediction of the future, until l realized that you were talking about the Great Depression and WWII.
“Those who ignore history, are doomed to repeat it” is supposed to be cautionary, but MAGA sees it as a game plan.
The largest war in human history, so far…
I’m like, wait, what happened in the 1930s that meant the wipeout of the republicans and what happened in the next 60 years?
Oh yes, an overinflated market crashed during the republican presidency, the burst ignited by the proposal of a tariff increase law, made to shield American industries and that was actually signed into law and significantly worsened the great depression. This pretty much caused the rise of Nazism in Germany and WW2
What happened then in the next 60 years? Oh yeah, the US won the war and became the biggest world superpower, the economy boomed and you had pretty much the most prosperous time in America’s history.
Maaaaybe a republican wipeout isn’t that bad now, is it?
I wish American Voters had memories longer than 4 years. But they don’t.
They got pissed at Bush and the Republicans in 2006 for the war and in 2008 for crashing the economy.
And 2 years later in 2010 they voted in a red wave not seen since reconstruction.
Donald Trump tried to overthrow the government and 4 years later they gave him another chance. If Trump shot a crowd of people on 5th avenue the kids of the victims would vote for him 4 years later.
There were massive voter suppression campaigns in both those election cycles. And it doesn’t help that the neo Liberals highjacked the democratic party, marginalizing labor. People are not motivated to vote for the lesser of two evils.
People are not motivated to vote for the lesser of two evils.
Neoliberals and centrists need to get this through their firewall of condescencion towards leftists, no matter how much y’all hate leftists (and laugh at leftists with your more conservative friends) you need to understand the average person in the US hates you and your leaders far more than than they hate genuine leftists that actually fight for the working class instead of spitting on them and publicly calling them stupid.
Neoliberals and centrists need to get this through their firewall of condescencion towards leftists
It won’t. They benefit from corporate greed as much as the right does. They are enablers of fascism.
Yeah the lure of power won’t sway them because the point of them holding power is to KEEP the working class from influencing policy.
Leftists in America are a tiny minority that happens to be in a kingmaker role because the Dems and Repubs are nearly evenly matched. There is no vast silent majority of Leftists. You’re in an internet bubble.
YOU need to get onboard with OUR ideas.
Your ideas got us here. With democracy hanging by a thread because both the corporate Democrats and Republicans spent decades weakening the lower classes to enrich themselves. How many 70-80% approval rating policy idea have the Democrats spurned over the years because it would mildly inconvenience their mega donors in the short term?
Can you name any?
Democrats haven’t been in power for decades.
Decades? They had the presidency and both halves of Congress for the first two years under Obama and all they gave us was Mitt Romney’s health care plan. And again during the first half of Biden’s term.
The Democratic leadership keeps actively stopping attempts to corral the ability of congressmen to get rich off inside trading. They spent the whole campaign season last year supporting and assisting in a very public genocide. Trustbusting has basically been forgotten - we only have the illusion of choice in our much each industry from the media to even our food products are dominated by like 3-4 companies within it.
Whenever they do happen to get power, they do nothing with it, and then act surprised when they immediately lose it again.
They had the presidency and both halves of Congress for the first two years under Obama
They had a majority that could override Republicans for all of like 2 months
And again during the first half of Biden’s term.
Never had a supermajority, even though they did get a few epic bills in through some brilliant legislative maneuvering.
and all they gave us was Mitt Romney’s health care plan
Obamacare has saved literally thousands of lives and saved countless more from poverty inducing medical costs and you act like that’s nothing. It’s the single best piece of legislation in the last 50 years at least. And we did that with just a few months of power.
Anyway. For your actual specifics
The Democratic leadership keeps actively stopping attempts to corral the ability of congressmen to get rich off inside trading
Biden calls for ban on congressional stock trading - never taken up by Repub led Congress
Democrats make last-ditch effort to ban stock trading by lawmakers
- Opposed/blocked by Republicans in Congress
Trustbusting has basically been forgotten
FTC Sues Amazon for Illegally Maintaining Monopoly Power
United Health Lawsuit Named Among FTC’s Biggest Wins
Big Pharma Braces for More FTC Suits Over M&A Bound for Approval
Gaza I’ll give you. That’s really the only hugely popular (among non-republicans) issue they refused to support.
So I’m assuming you’re a liberal? Let’s hear these ideas, seriously.
Sure!
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All people are equal before the law. Discrimination is abhorrent, and people’s personal freedoms should be respected until they harm others. Liberals and Leftists pretty much agree 100% on this so I won’t spend more time on it.
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Capitalism is the most powerful social engine for beneficial progress that the world has ever seen, but we need to keep it under control. It’s like an engine - harnessed, throttled, and controlled explosive power to drive us forward at a manageable pace. Strong regulations, strong unions, progressive taxes, and heavy government incentives are the ways we keep capitalism under control. Currently, it is OUT of control and is doing far more harm than good.
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Taxes on the rich should be higher, loopholes should be closed, and enforcement should be stepped up. There’s no consensus on exactly how much higher, but they all agree they should be higher.
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At the same time, we recognize the potential economic effects of taxing the rich. If we’re not careful, they’ll just move their money elsewhere. So we want to raise taxes to the extent possible without triggering flight of the wealthy.
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Everyone deserves a minimum standard of living. Food, shelter, and healthcare are human rights and should be free for those who can’t afford it.
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Immigrants are good for the economy. Even the illegal ones. We should be making immigration easier.
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Climate change is real, is man-made, and it is our duty as humans to do our best to fix it. However, we can do so to a large extent without causing hardship among everyday people, by making intelligent changes upstream from consumers. We can have economic growth AND tackle climate change, if we’re smart about it.
Obviously, left-leaning liberalism is a wide-ranging ideology but these are the main ones that came to mind immediately. The biggest difference between liberalism and Leftism is that Leftists want to tear down capitalism and Liberals want to control it.
I’m into it. I do think capitalism has far overstayed its welcome. I agree with everything you’ve written here, I just see it as a stepping stone to socialism rather than an end goal.
Fair enough. I think a lot of Liberals view socialism (like no shit real “own the means of production” socialism, rather than European capitalist-lite socialism of today) the same way as me: it sounds nice, it just doesn’t seem to work very well in practice. But hey if we can get it to work, neat. In the mean time, let’s get capitalism under control.
Leftism is that Leftists want to tear down capitalism and Liberals want to control it.
No the biggest difference is that Leftists want to address the fundamental, existential problems with capitalism and Liberals want to paper over it and not face the reality while still pretending they are part of the solution.
I’m sorry, I can’t hear you over the sounds of thousands of starving Ukranians. What was that again? Something about Capitalism being the root of all evil and Socialism being perfect in every way?
This is what a lot of young leftists hand wave away
Everyone deserves a minimum standard of living. Food, shelter, and healthcare are human rights and should be free for those who can’t afford it. - Immigrants are good for the economy. Even the illegal ones. We should be making immigration easier.
Taking in infinite immigrants and providing food shelter and healthcare for them and their lineage until the end of time ALONG WITH all of the disadvantaged citizens is not economically sustainable. You’d effectively be turning the U.S. into the world’s homeless shelter. At some point, likely sooner than later, all the raised taxes in the world on the businesses that don’t leave won’t be enough to care for everyone.
I’m all for compassion but it has to be reasoned compassion. You can’t just look at what your version of Utopia is and say that’s what we should do. Humanity is not perfect and neither will any society it builds be. But at the same time we can’t let perfect be the enemy of the good, and so we engage in these discussions.
Taking in infinite immigrants and providing food shelter and healthcare for them and their lineage until the end of time ALONG WITH all of the disadvantaged citizens is not economically sustainable.
I disagree.
You’d effectively be turning the U.S. into the world’s homeless shelter.
Fuck yeah we would.
Give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.
Here’s the thing about immigrants: they start businesses. They get degrees. They make money. They pay taxes. They drive the economic engine forward. They’re not helpless fucking children, they are smart and driven and capable adults who happen to not speak your language and may have browner skin than you.
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Democracy will not save us. People that won’t vote unless they fall in love can fall out of love much more easily.
Do vote, it’s low effort and it can make a marginal difference. Just make your plans assuming you party will lose and if they win they will disappoint.
Your treating this as if the same people are voting different ways. It’s usually much more along the lines of voters staying home one election and voting in another.
Edit - autocorrect got naughty!
Keep in mind that the voting system itself is rigged. States with lower populations tend to have more representation per capita due to the Electoral College. This biases everything towards red states.
And that doesn’t even get at the decades of gerrymandering…
EC needs to go away, too.
And they have the gall to say they’re voting that way “for the economy”
I’ve stopped believing there is anything that will make people stop voting Republican
Lack of elections could….
How’s that for government efficiency?! Don’t even have to vote anymore.
I’m thinking the breadlines will probably manage.
Breadlines?.. Have you been paying attention to the actions of the last decades? They even arrest church staff for feeding homeless people.
No. They just want people to die in the gutter.
Yeah, this time around there will be no government assisted breadlines cause this government is ineffectual at best and outright malicious at worst.
With the current price of bread? Nah, it will be Soylent protein bars this time around (the green ones are the best!).
How does it taste?
Breadlines ? That’s socialism. Can’t have that…
Certainly not for the folks who just think they are Republicans like it’s a racial identity or something. That’s some shit I can’t understand.
The Republican party deserves to die for allowing Donald Trump to rise to power. The Democrat party deserves to die for being useless to stop them. America needs a whole new fresh start with new parties
or better yet, no parties at all and force some of our morons to actually learn their candidates beyond just party lines.
Idk, I’d totally be in favor of ranked voting; with several parties that correspond to music genres where people could identify the party’s values based on vibes. Ex: Acid Polka Party, Nu Delta Blues Party, Hyper Uplifting Metal Party, etc.
That will never happen.
We were within 2% of stopping them. If you bastards had got on board, we wouldn’t be in this mess.
Let’s blame the voters instead of our shit policy and campaign that promises them nothing much more than republican lite
I blame the owners of news and social media. How can people make good decisions if they can’t perceive reality?
Would that not be better than full fascism?
Either way leads there eventually. You’ll see it soon enough.
I don’t understand what you could possibly mean by this comment. We, as in the American electorate, directly chose fascism. What the fuck do you mean that we will see it soon enough? We didn’t take the path you say also leads there eventually, the only way to tell where it leads is theory. We are never going to see the real world impacts of the choice we did not make.
Fascism and fascism light still lead to fascism. You can take the long road home or the highway to hell, but either way goes there.
Democrats and republicans act as adversaries. What you should look at is what kinds of things do they consistently vote for and against in unison.
After 18 months of republicans and democrats signing bombs that are tearing apart poor families sleeping in tents - how do you not see that they are both your enemy?
If the democrats really wanted to help people, why have they never gone scorched earth with helping people the way Trump is using the power to hurt people.
Help people so hard that they could never vote against you again? Universal healthcare - don’t want it? Too bad it’s free now. And it’s way more efficient than private.
Tax cuts for the poor and middle class while taxing the wealthy? Aww sorry I know you’re mad the billionaires pay more because you’re still waiting for that money to trickle down, but you pay less.
Free secondary education and day care for parents? Here’s chances to make your life better without drowning in debt and payments now enjoy making a better life.
But no. The democrats say “fuck the people” every time they have a chance to make a difference because they are the same as republicans. They only vote for war, tax cuts for the wealthy, and benefits package/pay increases for themselves.
Where are they now to save the students whose visas are arbitrarily being revoked? Where are they in the name of free speech? Doing 24 hour self promos in the chamber that accomplish exactly nothing and then running to MSNBC to brag about talking for that day straight.
It’s a clownshow and I am befuddled on how most people do not see through this.
Why not both.
The voters and especially the non-voters are to blame along with the politicians. Why shouldn’t they be responsible for voting against their own interests or sitting it out after having seen a Trump presidency?
No fuck yes. Blame them.
Are you saying that trump won because his policy and campaign was stellar.
Trump won because his base acted instead of passively watching. They took over everything and all the left could say was “don’t roll with them something something pigs”
Chaotic evil is more showy but that doesn’t mean that lawful evil isn’t also evil.
Na. It’s the Democrats politicians fault. Send more money to Israel.
See, they thought they could control him, like they did Reagan, and Bush Jr. Bush Sr. went along willingly.
But Trump is an overgrown 5 year old, and needs to feel he’s in charge. Like any typical narcissist.
Part of me wonder if this is worth saving. We need to start over.
All things end.
I just wish I wasn’t alive when it happened.
Where’s Thanos when we need him
A quick snap death would be preferable to what’s coming.
Or, better idea, no parties like the founders intended
But bruh if u vote for third party, it’s a win for Donald Trump bruh.
It needs a new electoral system too.
Yep the one that farmers does not select president for whole United States and 6th largest economy of world aka California.
I think they bumped up to 5th recently
That was correct. Until the day the voting system changes, voting third party for anything national will be the same as not voting at all as far as results go. This isn’t good, it isn’t right, but it’s the world we live in and the system we are operating under.
It’s a nice catch 22 innit
It literally was.
Notice that’s their top concern. Not hurting Americans, not pissing off allies, not a recession, not handing off the title of World Superpower to China, but losing their jobs is their top concern.
*losing power over others not just theor jobs
not handing off the title of World Superpower to China
They put in the hours. Maybe they’ve fucking earned it. But if it makes you feel any better, most of the BRICS are rocketing upwards and positioned to match or eclipse the US by the end of the century. That’s just what happens when you implement modern industrial policies under a more egalitarian social system. Spreading the wealth engages more of the population in high value productive activities that benefit the national economy in the long run.
After you’ve built a broadly productive economic engine, the only thing holding you back is the size of your productive population. At that point, policies like universal health care and efficient mass transit really start paying dividends.
It’s not like they needed us to fumble in order to take the trophy, but all the same we didn’t need to just hand them the ball and walk away.
Don’t threaten me with a good time!!!
Also, it’s a wheel. The Cons ruin the economy, voters get mad and vote Democrat, Democrat fixes economy, voters don’t like the spending even though it’s improving everything so vote Con, the Cons ruin the economy, ect ect so on and so forth
The Democrats get penalized for not fixing it fast enough or good enough.
This could be a super duper long play hustle. Where after 4 years they just lay down and then in 12 years they slip back in and really fuck shit up after the left can’t fix anything they have done.
By then AI will be in control, everyone will have elons chip in their brain and president baron will be choking kittens on the Whitehouse lawn to a stadium crowd while hologram kid rock plays the classics.
Look out for project 2037 mark my words
That’s the same everywhere, not just the US.
The right destroys what the left/center build so the left/center rebuild it and then the right destroys it again.
This is so true it hurts to read it.
Yeah, I find it kinda funny that the “great again” era that is constantly referenced is actually this era of loosing the House and the Senate that is specifically being refrenced now. Mate, you can’t have it both ways; do you want the house and the Senate and the House or do you want it to be “great again?”
Wouldn’t that be nice.
Nicer would be the utter destruction of the Republican Party, followed by a split between the Corporate Democrats and Progressives into two parties.
Or if the current R leadership becomes irrelevant, the Dems win for many terms in a row, and the new generation of Rs decide to appeal to the left by doing another party swap
So we’ll have like five progressives and the rest will be liberal corporate heels. We still won’t get anything useful. But at least we wouldn’t have republicans, so it’s better than nothing.
Corporate Dems need to go away too.
Sure is telling that his biggest worry is republicans losing power and not the sort of fucking depression that was the cause last time.
We Lost the House and Senate for 60 Years.
I sure fucking hope so, you piece of shit.
Hopefully the republicans can go the way of the whigs, the democratic party can become the conservative party they so desperately want to be, and we can create an actual party on the left.
I’ve wanted this for ages. And it’s represented so well in Republicans having only one platform: “Oppose Democrats. If it makes a Democrat angry, do it.”
Cleanse - and I mean CLEANSE - the opposition party. No one here can claim the Democrats never have good ideas. And yet, we can definitely do better than them. A better party means having better ideas - not just “Stop them libruls”. Bernie just toured the States with a message of exactly what that would look like.
I believe the second point of his tour was to make sure everyone knows that AOC is his political heir. He can’t keep it up forever.
