"If anyone wants to pretend that this is a normal conversation that Donald Trump is having, just dispel that," the Democratic vice presidential nominee said.
  • BeMoreCareful@lemmy.worldEnglish
    47·
    2 months ago

    I do feel surprised that Trump’s comments on using the military against Americans isn’t all over the news.

    • Fedizen@lemmy.world
      30·
      2 months ago

      the news is like 80% run by billionaires who want to pay less taxes. They didn’t even drill him on any of the insane shit he’s said when the last debate came up.

    • nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca
      6·
      2 months ago

      It’s Trump’s schtick. He spews out a constant stream of nonsense. His supporters are conditioned to ignore it.

    • Raiderkev@lemmy.world
      6·
      2 months ago

      Because he says so much bat shit crazy things that none of them stick and the outrage just goes from 1 thing to another

    • Etterra@lemmy.world
      4·
      2 months ago

      It’s like a sewer backing up; you can’t count the turds as fast as they fly out. For every one they scoop out they’ve got five more passing by unseen.

  • danc4498@lemmy.worldEnglish
    223·
    2 months ago

    But what about the economy

    that trump left Biden

    . What about MEEEEEEEEE.

    • 49% of the country literally right now.
    • chaogomu@lemmy.world
      172·
      2 months ago

      Economic policy has a 3-4 year lag time until it’s felt by the average citizen.

      Biden has been picking up the pieces and putting the economy back together after the fiasco that was Trump. Just like Obama had to pick up the pieces after Bush, and Clinton had to after Reagan and Bush Sr.

      To a lesser extent, Carter had to do the same, but Nixon and Ford didn’t fuck the economy as hard as Reagan.

      And if you go back a bit further, FDR pulled us out of the depression caused by Hoover, Coolidge and Harding.

      The crash was due to the policy of Coolidge and Harding, but the depression, that was pure Hoover. He made a bad situation so much worse.

      Kind of like Trump taking a pandemic, and making it worse.

  • DrMorose@lemmy.world
    16·
    2 months ago

    Being a vet myself I would HOPE that most commanders especially the Joint Chiefs would say no to that level of absurdity and bullshit. If it came down to it yes he could relieve commanders till he found someone to follow his orders, but if that happened I would almost assume a coup would take place because the CIC is trying to subvert the Constitution and every Service Member is charged with upholding said document.

    Now getting a 3 letter agency to do it…is another matter entirely, but again any federal employee is sworn to uphold the Constitution and not the man. I just feel those 3 letters can be swayed a little bit easier.

  • WrenFeathers@lemmy.world
    9·
    2 months ago

    The problem is, most people don’t think he’ll actually do it- because they have the attention span of goldfish.

    The rest of us know full-well to assume he is dead serious.

    • usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.mlOP
      7·
      2 months ago

      People forget that under Trump, he sent in unmarked federal officers who took protesters from the street without any named justification against state and local officals wishes

      Last week [July, 2020], federal officers started cracking down on crowds gathering in the city against the wishes of state and local officials, drawing widespread criticism and legal challenges.

      Federal officers in unmarked vehicles appeared to forcefully seize protesters from the streets and detain them without justification. They have also fired tear gas and less-lethal munitions into crowds of demonstrators.

      […]

      The role of federal troops sent to Portland is the subject of intense speculation at the moment. Numerous widely-shared videos show troops in camouflaged combat-style uniform arresting protesters, transporting them away in apparently unmarked vehicles.

      […]

      They belong to a new federal force created last month in an executive order signed by President Trump which tasks them to protect historic monuments, memorials, statues, and federal facilities.

      https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53473732

      • aesthelete@lemmy.world
        2·
        2 months ago

        He also had a goon squad execute a guy in the pcnw because the dude had shot a proud boy and then Trump later bragged about it.

  • Dizzy Devil Ducky@lemm.eeEnglish
    1·
    2 months ago

    Ah, yes, sending the military to fight against your citizens. Totally like June 4th, 1989. You know, the date where famously nothing happened. In fact, I don’t even know why I brought up that date.

  • Talisker@lemmy.world
    17·
    2 months ago

    I mean yeah but didn’t Walz personally send the national guard against citizens during protests? Maybe let someone else field this one.

  • sorval_the_eeter@lemmy.world
    724·
    2 months ago

    Yes Walz, we were already aware. Someone should warn Kamala against normalizing participation in far right wing war crimes when you’re trying to run in an ostensibly left leaning party. If you could get on that for us, coach thatd be swell.

  • Garbanzo@lemmy.worldEnglish
    554·
    2 months ago

    Not to diminish the seriousness of Trump’s rhetoric, but threatening to use the military against citizens is one of the few issues that is actually a ‘both sides’ problem.

    And, by the way, if they want to think they — it’s to take on government if we get out of line, which they’re talking again about — well, guess what?  They need F-15s.  They don’t need a rifle.

    I don’t usually agree with my Trump culty neighbor’s FJB flag, but it’s not unlike a broken clock.

    • Maggoty@lemmy.world
      253·
      2 months ago

      Nobody is threatening to use F-15s. It’s a rhetorical device meant to show how stupid stockpiling rifles “in case of tyranny” is in the modern age.

      Trump is actively saying he wants to use the military against the people.

      The difference is so wide there a “yo momma” joke could fit between them.

      • Garbanzo@lemmy.worldEnglish
        426·
        2 months ago

        No, Biden didn’t threaten to use F-15s, he just said that if you want to resist his hit squads you’ll have to do better than Bryan Malinowski.

          • Garbanzo@lemmy.worldEnglish
            412·
            2 months ago

            The one where a federal agency got a search warrant for a man’s house (not an arrest warrant for him) and called off the raid when they found out he wouldn’t be home, so they could try again when he was there to create a situation where they could justify murdering him. Look it up, it’s fucking wild.

            • Maggoty@lemmy.world
              51·
              2 months ago

              Yup. I did. No mention of a second raid. But he did illegally sell guns that were recovered from crime scenes. Sounds like if they did that they wanted to arrest him at the same time so he couldn’t run.

              At any rate there’s still zero evidence any Democrat is going after Americans with the military.

              • Garbanzo@lemmy.worldEnglish
                14·
                2 months ago

                Zero evidence? The DOD just released a memo last month saying they can provide potentially lethal assistance to law enforcement. They might not have used the military to go after anyone yet, but they’re laying the groundwork.

                DOD DIRECTIVE 5240.01

                (2) The decision to approve requests for these types of permissible assistance described in Paragraph 3.2. to law enforcement agencies and other civil authorities are reserved to the Secretary of Defense:

                © Assistance in responding with assets with potential for lethality, or any situation in which it is reasonably foreseeable that providing the requested assistance may involve the use of force that is likely to result in lethal force, including death or serious bodily injury. It also includes all support to civilian law enforcement officials in situations where a confrontation between civilian law enforcement and civilian individuals or groups is reasonably anticipated. Such use of force must be in accordance with DoDD 5210.56, potentially as further restricted based on the specifics of the requested support.

                • Maggoty@lemmy.world
                  3·
                  2 months ago

                  Did you think that was going to be some hard to find document? This is “Omagherd the Army did a fun run outside base, it’s martial law!111!” levels of stupid.

                  That memo is for intelligence agencies under the DOD like DIA who interact with the FBI and local law enforcement all the time. They’ve been doing this for decades. This is not the Army. And the assistance being talked about here is not the Infantry showing up. It’s literally just telling the local police if someone they pinged is on a watch list or is involved in international shenanigans.

                  Let’s look at paragraph 3.2 and see what’s covered.

                  Cooperating with appropriate law enforcement agencies to protect the IC’s employees, information, property, and facilities of any element.

                  That’s self defense. It’s literally authorizing them to work with local and federal police to protect federal property and employees. That’s it.

                  Unless otherwise precluded by law or E.O. 12333, participating in law enforcement activities to investigate or prevent clandestine intelligence activities by foreign powers or their agents, international terrorist activities, or international narcotics activities.

                  Counter intelligence. A core capability of every intelligence agency we have. The only one barred from operating on US soil is the CIA. But even then I’ve highlighted where this isn’t a blank check. You still need to follow the laws.

                  Providing specialized equipment, technical knowledge, or assistance of expert personnel for use by any Federal department or agency, or when lives are endangered, to support State and local law enforcement agencies. The Defense Intelligence Component’s legal office, subject to Paragraph 2.2.c., will approve assistance from expert personnel in each case.

                  Ah yes, the terrorism clause. Requiring legal’s sign off to work with the locals even in the event of a terrorism. (I know what I said) This is as useless as the time I’m taking to write this because finding an incident that would require the attention of an agency like the DIA without there being federal jurisdiction is incredibly hard. They’d already have the FBI on the ground, who they can work with freely.

                  When lives are in danger, rendering any other lawful assistance to law enforcement agencies or other civil authorities provided such assistance is consistent with, and has been approved by an official pursuant to Section 2 of this issuance. Such official will ensure that the legal office of the providing DoD Component concurs in such assistance.

                  Rendering lawful assistance. Yup that sounds like extrajudicial killings to me. Lol, no. Just no. This just means that I’m the case of something like a barricade stand off they can go ahead and share things like profiles of the person with the police.

                  Dissemination of intelligence information where such information may be relevant to a violation of any Federal or State law within the recipient’s jurisdiction, in accordance with Section 271 of Title 10, U.S.C.

                  Oh no, not dissemination of information! The horror!

                  Disseminating lawfully collected information reasonably believed to indicate a violation of Federal, State, local, or foreign laws, in accordance with the August 22, 1995 Memorandum of Understanding between the DoD and the Department of Justice, or other applicable memorandums of understanding.

                  Oh no, not more information!! Whatever will we do with these rogue intelligence agencies?

                  Please stop listening to InfoWars or whoever is selling you on these takes. They’re lying to you.

              • Garbanzo@lemmy.worldEnglish
                15·
                2 months ago

                Either your source is biased or you have some reading comprehension issues. He didn’t illegally sell guns and only fell afoul of ATF rules after they changed the rules without any input from Congress. There was only one raid because they postponed it when they found out he wouldn’t be there. He didn’t need to be there for them to execute their warrant, but he did need to be there for an extrajudicial execution.

                • Maggoty@lemmy.world
                  4·
                  2 months ago

                  The New York Times. And I already gave you a perfectly reasonable, and common reason to conduct a search with someone home.