So the assumption is that they could not exit the vehicle?
I guess the question has so be raised how four people died in a car that didn’t roll over.
The good thing is that Tesla has the records and will release them without issues…
It was Saturday evening around 10pm, three restaurant employees went into one of the client car to “try it out”, the client (65 years old) was clearly speeding, lost control of the vehicle, left the road and hit a traffic sign.
My bet is that all of that has nothing to do with the fact that this was a Tesla, the only difference is the fire but this is the same for every electric vehicle.
Do you have a source?
None of the articles that I checked this morning had that info.
Here is the information from the local news and pictures of the actual accident location, taken on site rather than stock photos.
Edit: this one too https://archive.is/xNDIN
i wonder if they were unable to open the doors for some non-tesla related reason such as death
Tesla, founded by the billionaire CEO Elon Musk, has frequently faced scrutiny over safety issues.
That is incorrect
It is legally correct, but factually incorrect.
Legally how? Was Musk on the original state registration?
He sued for the title and won.
I’m too petty to be a reporter, every time I’d write: “musk, who retroactively won the right to be considered a founder of Tesla in court, …”
It’d also be technically true to say “Elon Musk, CEO and self-proclaimed founder of Tesla…”
“X, formerly known as Twitter”
Twitter, now known to some as X, …
How many legs does a dog have if you call its tail a leg?
1 to 5, inclusive
Is this the company where he paid a sum of money to the real founder or founders to be called the founder?
Or was that another company?Correct on the first part, I don’t know if he did it for other companies as well.
Yet every time the two are mentioned everyone says he’s the founder
Journalism is dead
If Musk can remote disable the car, can he remote lock the doors and have it speed up?
Can a malicious actor remotely do stuff with your thing you connected to the internet?
Yes.
If elon can change the breaking for Full Self Driving, he can disable brakes. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn if some people figure out how to backdoor a Tesla and disable breaks. Companies are horrible at securing data and with elons fire 50% of employees mentality I wouldn’t be surprised if the cybersecurity people get overworked/mess up one day
“Brakes”, please.
Tesla offers challenges and bounties to get people to hack the cars so that they can patch the software. Most good companies that deal with software that must be secure do similar things.
Elon did not found Tesla
This is true, yeah. He bought the title of founder.
Hmmm I wonder if a vehicle filled with flammable explodey-gas who just drove over 2 metal signs at high speed would be on fire as well? Would it have gotten the attention that this vehicle had, given that ICE cars burn many times more often than EV’s do.
It is a tragedy and should be investigated but these articles have to get off the “It’s new so it’s bad” bandwagon until the investigators come in. It could have been a flat tire at high speeds that sent the car onto that shoulder and over those signs. There is uneven wear on the tires so on the outside of Regenerative Breaking EV’s tires look almost new on the outside but trashed on the inside. If it blew because of that, or some nail on the road then there is no fault on Tesla and the man-boy who runs it. If however say steering went or the airbag randomly went off when the car was at speed my least favourite Martian and Tesla would be culpable.
Until then turn the sensationalism on your stories down to 11.
I’m a fan of EVs, but Tesla lacks
securitysafety and I’m not a fan of it.It’s too complicated to leave the car when power is off for example.
If I recall correctly, the manual override for the electric inner door handle is hidden under some panel. Major lawsuit material if you ask me, and irresponsible by the certifying authorities,
You recall wrongly. It’s totally exposed, available all the time. Lots of people who are new actually activate it instead of the button that lowers the window before opening.
And the passengers on the back seats?
That’s Model 3 from the article.
And Cybertruck:
On BMW you pull the door handle twice
Yep. That’s my issue. It’s not the fire, it’s that it’s really hard to get out in a disaster.
The Tesla could just have easily killed four if it crashed into water.
You mean, the mechanical handle present? I’m not sure if older cars over a decade ago didn’t have em, but my model 3 has mechanical release on every hinged part. Even the drunk, which no human being would even fit in (I think, I guess a toddler might?).
Do you think the average Tesla driver knows about these? Are they easy to find and use in an emergency? Could they be easily improved?
probably, yes, and improved how, they’re just door handles.
You mean it is too complicate to open a door handle? You do know those news stories about people getting trapped in their Teslas had to be taken down because you can just open the door, the people who were trapped weren’t only stupid, they were locked in a vehicle with the manual that told them how to get out of the car and they never looked at it.
I posted the manual below, so stop lying
Not Lying. The vast amount of the stories of people trapped in their Tesla when they loose power are drivers and are alone. So this is what the manual says the person who is in that situation has to do to get out of the car. You showed the Back Seat. This is what they have to do in the front seat.
They have to throw a simple latch. Worst case if you run out of power, say pulling into a charging area because the last one you planned on using was down and you had to make it on a very low charge, and the people in the back did not know about the pulley system they would have to either get out of one of the front doors or wait in the vehicle for help.
Some reasons why they probably would be fine in a normal car
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Central computer controls everything. A crashing computer means a crashing car
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Electronic door locks. When you crash youre going to have a hard time opening the door
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Shatterproof windows mean if your door won’t open, you’re BBQ
- The ‘central computer’ doesn’t control the car’s controls. It is made to come to sudden stop if it fails and the person can still steer.
- The doors have manual overrides that defeat the locks and open the doors. People who have been “trapped in their Tesla” when it lost power haven’t even looked at the manual. Every door and hood has a way to open it from the inside and there is even a way to emergency release the charger if you have to.
- Ever single issue is as much an issue for ICE cars as EV’s. Bullet resistant windows on most cars are a risk, however some teslas have an override for their power windows. ICE cars have been hacked and taken control of through the computer in their entertainment system, that like a Tesla, actually is the main computer system for their car. ICE cars have Electric door locks as well.
If the accident was powerful enough to rupture the battery with the metal signposts, it could also open up the gas tank and set it on fire as the car was going in excess of 65.
Its not about EV vs ICE its about having a dumbass design the car
The manual overrides are hidden away so anyone who hasn’t trained on using them is dead meat. also you probably just got a concussion from crashing your car, so they’re probably useless
Shattering windows are a safety feature that were removed for what reason exactly?
The transportation secretaries sister died because of these super predictable issues with teslas
I love the idea of electric vehicles but that doesn’t mean an idiot should design them
OK, on the designed by an idiot, or in this case concepted and OK’d by an idiot, and the rest of the engineering and work of making that work was actually left up to good engineers, we both can agree on.
The problem is that the engineers are not in control, and if they say one of the bosses ideas is bad they get fired.
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If I made a metal cage for rich people that locked and set on fire, I would go to prison for life probably. This guy does that and sells it to them
timesofmalta… this reminded me of the maltase journalist who was car bombed there
