Maybe, MAYBE in his first term they could pull this “oh no we were fooled” crap but not on his second term.
We have a saying in Texas: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on…wait…how does it go again?
Ya can’t…get…fooled again?..
My MiL was one of those people who were initially fooled, but that lasted a week before she realized she fucked up.
If they suffer any consequences from their vote, they’ll likely just blame Democrats, or immigrants, or trans people, or [insert scapegoat of the week here].
as I have gotten older, the more and more I realize that the story of 1984 isn’t really a warning for the general masses but more of a warning to those people that are easily manipulated. The two main characters are so compliant in their suffering.
And if they get desperate enough due to the consequences of their actions, they will become violent towards their scapegoat. Let’s not forget that.
No he isn’t. They’re all fucking thrilled. Where are y’all getting this shit? Trump voters are tap dancing right now.
Like 60% of the male Latino vote went to trump, and I’ve seen Trump support shirts among those rounded up by ICE, so some of them are in the Find Out phase.
There’s also the idiot Arabic groups that helped get Trump in power by demonizing Harris then are all shocked Pikachu when Trump turned out to be exponentially worse.
There are some stories of trump voters that had their immigrant wifes deported and they are totally shocked, because “shes one of the good ones”
Sad thing is, they’d probably try to vote him in a third time anyway.
I saw a news story from conservative women who have government jobs that are now realizing DEI means women too, not just black . Not saying they’re rational but they’re out there
There’s also teachers who voted for Trump that are surprised he’s going to dismantle the department of education and freeze the federal funding they depend on.
To be fair, It’s not like it was a major talking point of the campaign or anything…… /s
Well thats quite a lesson to learn.
One of the ones in my office openly said there are three words he thinks need to come back “the r-word, the f-word, and you know the other one”. They are emboldened and giddy
Libs still coping hard from their losing genocidal candidate.
Genocidal…Phhhhffff.
We’ve upgraded to Super Mega Genocidal now!
Low effort ragebait.
There’s a big thread on /r/conservative right now circle jerking about how not concerned they all are and how it’s exactly what they voted for. Sure buddy, come back and say that when something shitty Trump does affects YOU which it certainly will.
Sounds like copium to me.
It’s reprogramming. Carefully orchestrated to normalize fascist behaviors.
I think this is giving them a bit too much credit, they’re not carefully orchestrating anything it’s just really easy to get a certain kind of person to accept fascist behavior.
Certain members push the propaganda and mods remove any dissenting posts. It’s not the common user that is doing it.
Yeah it’s definitely something people do when they really believe everything is okay
Imagine believing that Trump will come for the privileged white bros.
Fascism consumes itself
all the people who refused to vote for kamala must be so pleased with how little palestinian genocide is about to happen. aren’t they? well? aren’t they?
no?
gee it sure sounds like their whole little plan backfired in the worst possible way come to think of it, ACTUALLY.
You know what makes me so angry though? Looking at the way the Dems govern, even now in the face of this firehosed of shit, this was going to happen eventually. I’ve been thinking a lot about “who’s worse, the Nazis, or people who opened the door for them?”
It’s almost like it could have been easily predicted
Yep. As soon as I heard her stance on Israel, I got a sinking feeling. There was such hope and enthusiasm at first, but she just had to pander to AIPAC.
If only people had been talking about exactly what happened for months leading up to the election, maybe it would have gone differently…
To be honest, my prediction was “parking lot”, so the whole “riviera” concept was a surprising development.
The ethnic cleansing was obvious, tho.
My prediction was glass but I guess they’re accomplishing their goals just fine without nukes
Not by explaining it, because that was tried on and againd to no avail.
Dawg, the democratic party failed to energize it’s base by running a center right campaign with a platform of strong boarders, a strong military, and tax cuts. Them failing to get enough votes is there fault for trying to beat voters with the cudgel of trump while offering nothing to most working families. I voted for Kamala, and even I recognize this. I am really tired of seeing a comment like this every time there’s a post about trump. The election is over. Rhetoric like this only divides the left further.
Rhetoric like this only divides the left further.
Liberals aren’t left, and the democratic party served its purpose to a T. These people who continue to defend it are too. Both of their purpose is to shift the overton window all the way in to fascism, which they are doing successfully, and have no reason to stop (until the fascist come for them, at which point they will wonder why no one is interested in or even around to help them).
Yeah so blaming other leftists who didn’t for liberals is really senseless and still divides the left
But those doing the blaming aren’t on the left, and those who are on the left who wouldn’t vote for a liberal have no reason to be divided by a lib licking a boot. Libs might be dividing themselves, those who now see through the bullshit will move further to the left, and those who buy in to it will continue moving along with them to the right.
Imagine thinking democracy is only your duty if you feel energized by the candidate.
Imagine being a Democracy and deliberately running an unpopular campaign so the financiers keep the money spigot on.
Completely irrelevant because
- This is what “forcing” the democrats to make a change looks like, all it will ever do is shift the overton window to the right and make things even worse.
- What really lost the democrats the election was years of gerrymandering, voter suppression and making it just difficult as fuck to vote in Dem areas.
Actually I’m starting to feel convinced the Democrats saw “The Producers” as inspiration.
“You can make more money with a
floploss than ahitwin!”As long as they keep losing elections, they can keep making money disappear (via laundering it). They sop up all the donations and laugh all the way to the bank, burning LITERAL BILLIONS OF DOLLARS on their cousin-in-law’s “strategy consulting firm” and tons of completely ineffectual “vote blue” spam, and pay themselves six-figure “speaking fees”.
The solution isn’t to just stop voting, though. Voting is merely the least inconvenient, easiest to access tool in the toolbox and the people who left it unused are morons no matter how much ELSE they are doing ABOVE AND BEYOND that. Voting is the bare minimum; you have to do that AND local party organizing, civics, community engagement, nominating candidates for local races.
But if you don’t vote TOO, it’s like you neglected to wipe your ass. The stink follows you and embarrasses everyone with you.
I don’t think I have any obligation/duty to democracy, given how its going.
I’ve voted for the lesser of 2 evils my whole life and yet we ended up back to Nazi style fascism once again. Kamala would have just held status quo till the next election, no direction change is a door stop. Improving society for everyone is the only way, I don’t know if humans are capable of doing this anymore and I’m 100 percent sure that isn’t compatible with the “American Dream”.
I don’t follow… Kamala would have just held the status quo, so just to have a change in direction the country decided to go to hell?
What Is the Ratchet Effect?
This phenomenon gets its name from the mechanical device called a ratchet, which allows motion in one direction only. Just as a ratchet prevents backward movement, the ratchet effect ensures that government power advances inexorably, never retreating to previous levels.
It’s not like Democratic administrations gave us the voting rights act, gay marriage, interracial marriage, and abortion. Medicare & Medicaid. Ended Don’t-Ask-Don’t-Tell. The ACA may not be very close to universal healthcare, but it is a huge improvement on what we had, and it decreased the uninsured population by 15-20M.
There’s a lot more to want from a progressive party, but they have, slowly, made things better. Sometimes, the wing nuts claw those improvements back, and “Ratchet Effect,” “Both Sides,” etc are great propaganda for cowing opposition to the wing nuts.
Come on dude get that capitalist team politics boot out of your mouth. The Democrats helped the Republicans sell out this country, but enjoy the scraps they didn’t see. I don’t eat party peanuts, politicians are servants not gods or celebrities. I’m supposed to cheer because gay people are on TV today big fucking deal. Edit- also if you think Democrats or Republicans or bosses gave you anything willingly your doing a disservice to the people who protested and died fighting to TAKE those rights.
Show me a third option. If there’s beef and chicken on the menu, you can’t get a Mercedes.
All those people out in the street protesting for civil rights, fighting the Pinkertons, and refusing to work like inmates? they fucking voted. They got their people into office, and those people fixed the laws.
Your obviously not ready for the third option. It’s big and scary and probably will hurt a little. Kinda like getting a rotten tooth pulled. But enjoy your MacDonalds and reality TV, while the planet boils.
decreased the uninsured population by 15-20M.
That just means insurance companies are profiting. There’s no guarantee that people are actually getting health care.
So, I guess your argument is that ACA is bad because all it “really” did is enroll poor people in Medicaid? Or that the extent of their insurance coverage depended on the insurance they got?
You’re comparing your idealized plan with what got implemented, rather than what got implemented with what came before.
I see an awful lot of people post-justifying doing nothing as some form of radical resistance.
Well, sure, maybe it is resistance, and maybe they have a clear conscience… But it didn’t do a fucking thing, did it?
their whole little plan backfired
Was there a plan in the first place? It would’ve looked like this:
- Don’t vote Kamala
- Trump wins election
- ???
- No profit at all, everything’s fucked
- Vote Cornel West because he’s an ok person who opposes genocide.
- It doesn’t matter at all because of where I live in this sham democracy.
- Continue to be berated by delusional genocidal libs for the rest of my life.
- Vote Kamala
- Trump does not win election
- There’s still hope for a better future
- Politics doesn’t end on Election Day. Continue to pressure Kamala over the genocide
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Did you ever try asking someone to explain the reasoning, or did you you just assume whatever strawman you came up with was real?
ok you explain it then
Sure. If you make your vote conditional on supporting a certain policy, then you create an incentive for politicians to support that policy in the future. Politicians have no incentive to care about the concerns of people who support them unconditionally. That means it’s at least potentially the rational and strategic line to draw a red line somewhere, and if you agree with that, then it’s pretty obvious that genocide is crossing that line.
Pretty simple. As the saying goes, why buy the cow (give the voters what they want) when you can get the milk (votes) for free?
I still don’t understand why just because Kamala didn’t explicitly oppose Israël, you choose to allow Trump to worsen the whole situation by forcefully deporting all Palestinians out of Gaza.
If I were running for office, it would be easy to say no to genocide. Why wouldn’t Harris do that?
Republicans would just spin the narrative by accusing her of being antisemetic (aka a Nazi).
So people should support genocide so that genocidal people don’t call them anti-semetic?
That’s a root of the problem. People were called anti-german for opposing the nazis.
I’m not voting for somebody who’s too scared or brainwashed to oppose genocide.
Yeah, the problem is stupid people. Stupid people who are incapable of understanding nuance. Like you, for example, that can’t understand the nuances of navigating an unfortunate reality. You, who can’t comprehend voting for the lesser of two evils, and instead will allow a psychopathic fascist to take over because you can’t navigate nuance.
You’re deflecting because you’re guilty that you voted for genocide. I’m proud of my vote. Are you?
Stop blaming the voters for kamala’s bad decisions.
she threw her campaign when her campaign chose to abandon the very vocal block of anti-genocide voters who had enough votes to swing the election.
if your campaign can only succeeded if several millions of people to change their minds suddenly, you ran a losing campaign from the beginning.
It’s the voters who voted for Trump. It’s that simple.
Although I didn’t have ”Trump ending the Israel Palestine conflict by making Palestine American” on my bingo card, it was always super obvious that Trump is way more pro Israel than Kamala. If you thought otherwise you didn’t pay attention at all.
Yeah, but blaming then is obviously pointless. It makes sense to blame the ones that could have prevented this: the Democratic Party and the ones who didn’t vote democrat.
I think you can just blame the democratic party. People shouldn’t be blamed for not voting for garbage genocidal candidates and their wacky condescending fanboys.
It doesn’t matter how good or bad her campaign was. All people in swing states who were able to vote but didn’t or voted third party have contributed to Trump’s victory.
If your election system requires you to vote tactically, you have no choice but to vote tactically.
If the election system requires tactical voting then it isn’t a democracy.
No you’re right. America only pretends to be a democracy, but it most definitely is not. The electoral college alone causes some people’s votes to be more important than others. Then there’s the first-past-the-post system where you only need 50% of the votes to get 100% of the electors, which screws up things even more. And finally, many people are unable to cast their vote in the first place. Nothing about that is democratic.
And despite all of that, you still focus the blame on the voters, instead of on the system which is working exactly as intended, including your part in it which you are actively playing while convinced you are really opposing it somehow (you’re not).
okay and what is your plan to change that system? because I don’t think Trump being president is going to help with that
And not participating in it is improving it somehow?
I still vote, but I gave up on the idea that we will be allowed to vote our way out of the descent into Fascism roughly 25 years ago.
You dont improve democracy, you have it or you dont.
All people in swing states
At least you’re realistic in your vote shaming. Major progress.
Actually, for that matter, I DO actually want to incorporate your point.
The problem is the proverbial horse died of thirst.
You’re right in that it’s not correct for me to simply leave it at “you can lead the horse to water but you can’t make it drink”, because the truth is SHE DIDN’T LEAD THE FUCKING HORSE TO WATER AT ALL IN THE FIRST PLACE!
She silently held up a sign that said “maybe water”
Trump held up a sign that said “no water for anyone except you” (which was patently a LIE, there was never any water at all with him) while also making beckoning noises and holding a sugar cube in his other hand.
The fact that the horse literally couldn’t even read in the first place doesn’t change the fact that she didn’t do her fucking job and that he used empty populist rhetoric to lure the horse to a place where there definitely was NEVER going to be any water whatsoever.
We tried to nudge the horse to where there might have been water. But it’s just a dumb fucking animal and wanted sugar cubes. Now it’s dead (and it didn’t even get the sugar cube it was being bribed with) and
…
yeah. We have better shit to do than keep beating this dead horse. It’s too late for it to learn anything.
So, departing from that metaphor, in a very real sense I’ve been making preparations to help people survive and perhaps someday even evacuate. Complaining about the circumstances is not the ONLY thing I’m doing, not by a long shot. But I do complain. Because I’m stressed and need to release the metaphorical pressure.
If you know of any mutual aid groups starting up to construct an underground railroad now that the horse is dead and we have to rely on ourselves, I’d sure like to know.
genocide is about to happen.
lmao libs waking up after over a year… acting like they suddenly give a shit about an ongoing genocide.
This is why y’all keep losing. Literally offering nothing but vile condescension.
It didn’t backfire at all. If we can demonstrate that the Democrats can’t win if they support genocide, then maybe they won’t support genocide next time. And if they cannot be persuaded to listen to reason, then they need to be replaced by another party and the sooner we start on that the better.
Y’all think this was unexpected because you never bothered to understand our positions or arguments. You just strawman us and then believe your own strawman. Trump being worse on Gaza was already acknowledged and considered, there is no surprise here and no regret, we made the correct choice and will do it again if we have to.
This is what they voted for and it’s what everyone who didn’t vote, voted for.
Just because you’re single issue doesn’t mean the politicians are.
🎵If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice🎶
Like, people had been screaming at these single issue voter to not do it, yet they did it, everyone is fucked, and they pretend they didn’t do it.
I wouldn’t be this annoyed if it’s some small country but this is US, their policy affect the world. What worst is melon husk trying the same trick on other country as well.
this is US, their policy affect the world.
Yeah that’s a problem with empire. It shouldn’t be doing genocide on the other side of the planet. It’s what people are opposing. #casualimperialsm
everyone who didn’t vote
Imagine believing that everyone’s vote matters.
You again? Again, nuance…
Sure, some vanishingly small percentage but the vast majority of people who voted for him are still in the cult.
I do not believe in a self reflective Trump supporter. And that says nothing of him fulfilling his promises, many of them tuning out for the ones that they don’t like
And you assume this story is true too… It’s not.
idk, I feel like we could take a much better approach to this. Instead of just mocking them, maybe point out how they maybe can’t trust where they got their idea of who trump was, and maybe to stop supporting him?
Lots of people responding here are missing your point. If somebody you know voted for Trump is now struggling to understand what’s going on, and they voice this thought to you, take it as an opportunity. You shouldn’t tell them what to do (ie “Don’t watch Fox News”), but rather, follow the Socratic Method to guide them to question their sources. Start small - their entire worldview won’t shatter in one conversation. But if you see cracks forming in their beliefs, that’s something worth fostering.
No, not everybody is going to see the light. It’s important to know your “audience.” If you don’t believe they’re asking in good faith, or if you’re not comfortable engaging with them, then please don’t do it. At the same time, although it would feel really good to throw a We told you so! at them, it’s better saved for rants among like-minds. Responding with such hostility to somebody who already feels used and betrayed isn’t going to help them find their way back to reality.
Remember that we are going to need to be as united as possible on this war against the oligarchs. Whether someone has seen this threat coming for years, or only just now realized what’s going on, it’s not going to matter in the big picture. It’s better to educate than isolate.
Right, democrats are the enlightened bunch and republicans are fumbling in the dark. The mythology continues.
Lots of people responding here are missing your point
No, they’re making a counter-point, that’s not the same thing. Their point is:
If somebody you know voted for Trump is now struggling to understand what’s going on, and they voice this thought to you, take it as an opportunity
To laugh in their faces and mock them, as they deserve. Because these people have already gotten the nice attempts, and can now eat shit
Instead of just mocking them, maybe point out how they maybe can’t trust where they got their idea of who trump was, and maybe to stop supporting him?
20 years of pointing out that shit like Fox News was just feels over reals sure did a lot of good on that front.
“If you believed x, maybe it’s time to look at who told you x and whether they’re a trustworthy source of information”
This happened in the UK too with Brexit. When things turned out badly, in the exact way as was predicted, it was “this isn’t what I voted for”. But the problem was never with the vote itself, it was always the fault of politicians not implementing things correctly, it was the EU’s fault for not giving them what they wanted although they voted to be outside of it, experts didn’t warn them enough although they ridiculed said experts because the experts didn’t went along with the Brexit beliefs.
It’s like trying to be Scully and going against Mulder’s “I want to believe”.
I mean if you read it article it’s full of “this is the Democrats fault” and “we made a mistake, but we’ll never admit it”. So many are still flailing, looking for anyone else to blame and absolve them of a dumbass move.
The truth is out there. But so are lies.
So, so many lies.
maybe point out how they maybe can’t trust where they got their idea of who trump was
people have been doing this for years. YEARS
i will mock and ridicule them until the day i die. fuck trump, and fuck trump supporters.
I guarantee you that the people saying “this isn’t what I voted for” voted for him in 2016, 2020, and in 2024.
They got exactly what they voted for. These people are just surprised that the leopard is eating their face, and not those of darker skin.
This works when no faith is involved. Trumpists are a cult. People who believe in something at an irrational level (like what happens with religious fundamentalists) can’t be reasoned with. They are way beyond the point where reason works with them. Now only a very hard wake up in the form of a traumatic event will work for them.
Have you ever tried to convince a very religious person that their god doesn’t exist? Same thing.
And they’d vote for him again no matter.
Enjoy a moment of schadenfreude… Sure, but understand that it changes nothing.
Seriously. It’s been 10 years of Trump BS antics in the news. If anyone is surprised I have have an oil to sell them that will cure that.
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Where are people seeing these stories? I’m not trying to deny their existence at all, I’m just curious where they are?
I’m a huge fan of irony.
The poster points to this as an example: https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/06/trump-arab-americans-dearborn-michigan-00203018
People are apparently surprised that Bibi’s best friend is anti Palestine. Who could’ve known?
but if you vote lazy biden it’s gEnOcIdE!!1!
That was a tiring time.
Past tense?
Right up there with Latinos For Trump watching their families being deported.
I want to point out that we had a couple of brains who run around, called everyone stupid and thought Trump was on the side of Palestine.
I also want to point out that the Dunning Kruger Effect is alive and well here on Lemmy too.
And by “people”… You mean a tiny tiny minority of people victimized by genocide who realistically couldn’t change anything. Yes those are clearly the people to blame. \s
But go on with your self-righteous delusions.
“Oh, then this isn’t what I thought I voted for.”
It’s exactly what you thought you voted for. (They wouldn’t admit that they’re wrong though)
Leopards ate my face
If y’all think leopards are eating the faces of the privileged white people who voted for trump, then you’re even more delusional than usual.
I’m fairly the certain the original post was about someone who has gotten their face eaten by a leopard and tried to claim they had no interest in meeting said leopard for lunch.
Whether or not leopards are, by and large, feasting on faces similar to the original poster’s, I cannot speak to that.
when you voted to deport grandma
