No he isn’t. They’re all fucking thrilled. Where are y’all getting this shit? Trump voters are tap dancing right now.
There are some stories of trump voters that had their immigrant wifes deported and they are totally shocked, because “shes one of the good ones”
Sad thing is, they’d probably try to vote him in a third time anyway.
all the people who refused to vote for kamala must be so pleased with how little palestinian genocide is about to happen. aren’t they? well? aren’t they?
no?
gee it sure sounds like their whole little plan backfired in the worst possible way come to think of it, ACTUALLY.
If I were running for office, it would be easy to say no to genocide. Why wouldn’t Harris do that?
Stop blaming the voters for kamala’s bad decisions.
she threw her campaign when her campaign chose to abandon the very vocal block of anti-genocide voters who had enough votes to swing the election.
if your campaign can only succeeded if several millions of people to change their minds suddenly, you ran a losing campaign from the beginning.
It’s the voters who voted for Trump. It’s that simple.
Although I didn’t have ”Trump ending the Israel Palestine conflict by making Palestine American” on my bingo card, it was always super obvious that Trump is way more pro Israel than Kamala. If you thought otherwise you didn’t pay attention at all.
Yeah, but blaming then is obviously pointless. It makes sense to blame the ones that could have prevented this: the Democratic Party and the ones who didn’t vote democrat.
Actually, for that matter, I DO actually want to incorporate your point.
The problem is the proverbial horse died of thirst.
You’re right in that it’s not correct for me to simply leave it at “you can lead the horse to water but you can’t make it drink”, because the truth is SHE DIDN’T LEAD THE FUCKING HORSE TO WATER AT ALL IN THE FIRST PLACE!
She silently held up a sign that said “maybe water”
Trump held up a sign that said “no water for anyone except you” (which was patently a LIE, there was never any water at all with him) while also making beckoning noises and holding a sugar cube in his other hand.
The fact that the horse literally couldn’t even read in the first place doesn’t change the fact that she didn’t do her fucking job and that he used empty populist rhetoric to lure the horse to a place where there definitely was NEVER going to be any water whatsoever.
We tried to nudge the horse to where there might have been water. But it’s just a dumb fucking animal and wanted sugar cubes. Now it’s dead (and it didn’t even get the sugar cube it was being bribed with) and
…
yeah. We have better shit to do than keep beating this dead horse. It’s too late for it to learn anything.
So, departing from that metaphor, in a very real sense I’ve been making preparations to help people survive and perhaps someday even evacuate. Complaining about the circumstances is not the ONLY thing I’m doing, not by a long shot. But I do complain. Because I’m stressed and need to release the metaphorical pressure.
If you know of any mutual aid groups starting up to construct an underground railroad now that the horse is dead and we have to rely on ourselves, I’d sure like to know.
It doesn’t matter how good or bad her campaign was. All people in swing states who were able to vote but didn’t or voted third party have contributed to Trump’s victory.
If your election system requires you to vote tactically, you have no choice but to vote tactically.
If the election system requires tactical voting then it isn’t a democracy.
No you’re right. America only pretends to be a democracy, but it most definitely is not. The electoral college alone causes some people’s votes to be more important than others. Then there’s the first-past-the-post system where you only need 50% of the votes to get 100% of the electors, which screws up things even more. And finally, many people are unable to cast their vote in the first place. Nothing about that is democratic.
And not participating in it is improving it somehow?
I still vote, but I gave up on the idea that we will be allowed to vote our way out of the descent into Fascism roughly 25 years ago.
I see an awful lot of people post-justifying doing nothing as some form of radical resistance.
Well, sure, maybe it is resistance, and maybe they have a clear conscience… But it didn’t do a fucking thing, did it?
It’s almost like it could have been easily predicted
Yep. As soon as I heard her stance on Israel, I got a sinking feeling. There was such hope and enthusiasm at first, but she just had to pander to AIPAC.
If only people had been talking about exactly what happened for months leading up to the election, maybe it would have gone differently…
To be honest, my prediction was “parking lot”, so the whole “riviera” concept was a surprising development.
The ethnic cleansing was obvious, tho.
My prediction was glass but I guess they’re accomplishing their goals just fine without nukes
Not by explaining it, because that was tried on and againd to no avail.
their whole little plan backfired
Was there a plan in the first place? It would’ve looked like this:
- Don’t vote Kamala
- Trump wins election
- ???
- No profit at all, everything’s fucked
Dawg, the democratic party failed to energize it’s base by running a center right campaign with a platform of strong boarders, a strong military, and tax cuts. Them failing to get enough votes is there fault for trying to beat voters with the cudgel of trump while offering nothing to most working families. I voted for Kamala, and even I recognize this. I am really tired of seeing a comment like this every time there’s a post about trump. The election is over. Rhetoric like this only divides the left further.
Imagine thinking democracy is only your duty if you feel energized by the candidate.
Imagine being a Democracy and deliberately running an unpopular campaign so the financiers keep the money spigot on.
Actually I’m starting to feel convinced the Democrats saw “The Producers” as inspiration.
“You can make more money with a
floploss than ahitwin!”As long as they keep losing elections, they can keep making money disappear (via laundering it). They sop up all the donations and laugh all the way to the bank, burning LITERAL BILLIONS OF DOLLARS on their cousin-in-law’s “strategy consulting firm” and tons of completely ineffectual “vote blue” spam, and pay themselves six-figure “speaking fees”.
The solution isn’t to just stop voting, though. Voting is merely the least inconvenient, easiest to access tool in the toolbox and the people who left it unused are morons no matter how much ELSE they are doing ABOVE AND BEYOND that. Voting is the bare minimum; you have to do that AND local party organizing, civics, community engagement, nominating candidates for local races.
But if you don’t vote TOO, it’s like you neglected to wipe your ass. The stink follows you and embarrasses everyone with you.
I’ve voted for the lesser of 2 evils my whole life and yet we ended up back to Nazi style fascism once again. Kamala would have just held status quo till the next election, no direction change is a door stop. Improving society for everyone is the only way, I don’t know if humans are capable of doing this anymore and I’m 100 percent sure that isn’t compatible with the “American Dream”.
I don’t follow… Kamala would have just held the status quo, so just to have a change in direction the country decided to go to hell?
What Is the Ratchet Effect?
This phenomenon gets its name from the mechanical device called a ratchet, which allows motion in one direction only. Just as a ratchet prevents backward movement, the ratchet effect ensures that government power advances inexorably, never retreating to previous levels.
It’s not like Democratic administrations gave us the voting rights act, gay marriage, interracial marriage, and abortion. Medicare & Medicaid. Ended Don’t-Ask-Don’t-Tell. The ACA may not be very close to universal healthcare, but it is a huge improvement on what we had, and it decreased the uninsured population by 15-20M.
There’s a lot more to want from a progressive party, but they have, slowly, made things better. Sometimes, the wing nuts claw those improvements back, and “Ratchet Effect,” “Both Sides,” etc are great propaganda for cowing opposition to the wing nuts.
Come on dude get that capitalist team politics boot out of your mouth. The Democrats helped the Republicans sell out this country, but enjoy the scraps they didn’t see. I don’t eat party peanuts, politicians are servants not gods or celebrities. I’m supposed to cheer because gay people are on TV today big fucking deal. Edit- also if you think Democrats or Republicans or bosses gave you anything willingly your doing a disservice to the people who protested and died fighting to TAKE those rights.
There’s a big thread on /r/conservative right now circle jerking about how not concerned they all are and how it’s exactly what they voted for. Sure buddy, come back and say that when something shitty Trump does affects YOU which it certainly will.
Sounds like copium to me.
Yeah it’s definitely something people do when they really believe everything is okay
This is what they voted for and it’s what everyone who didn’t vote, voted for.
Just because you’re single issue doesn’t mean the politicians are.
Like, people had been screaming at these single issue voter to not do it, yet they did it, everyone is fucked, and they pretend they didn’t do it.
I wouldn’t be this annoyed if it’s some small country but this is US, their policy affect the world. What worst is melon husk trying the same trick on other country as well.
I do not believe in a self reflective Trump supporter. And that says nothing of him fulfilling his promises, many of them tuning out for the ones that they don’t like
And they’d vote for him again no matter.
Enjoy a moment of schadenfreude… Sure, but understand that it changes nothing.
Seriously. It’s been 10 years of Trump BS antics in the news. If anyone is surprised I have have an oil to sell them that will cure that.
Where are people seeing these stories? I’m not trying to deny their existence at all, I’m just curious where they are?
I’m a huge fan of irony.
The poster points to this as an example: https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/06/trump-arab-americans-dearborn-michigan-00203018
People are apparently surprised that Bibi’s best friend is anti Palestine. Who could’ve known?
but if you vote lazy biden it’s gEnOcIdE!!1!
That was a tiring time.
Right up there with Latinos For Trump watching their families being deported.
I want to point out that we had a couple of brains who run around, called everyone stupid and thought Trump was on the side of Palestine.
I also want to point out that the Dunning Kruger Effect is alive and well here on Lemmy too.
idk, I feel like we could take a much better approach to this. Instead of just mocking them, maybe point out how they maybe can’t trust where they got their idea of who trump was, and maybe to stop supporting him?
Lots of people responding here are missing your point. If somebody you know voted for Trump is now struggling to understand what’s going on, and they voice this thought to you, take it as an opportunity. You shouldn’t tell them what to do (ie “Don’t watch Fox News”), but rather, follow the Socratic Method to guide them to question their sources. Start small - their entire worldview won’t shatter in one conversation. But if you see cracks forming in their beliefs, that’s something worth fostering.
No, not everybody is going to see the light. It’s important to know your “audience.” If you don’t believe they’re asking in good faith, or if you’re not comfortable engaging with them, then please don’t do it. At the same time, although it would feel really good to throw a We told you so! at them, it’s better saved for rants among like-minds. Responding with such hostility to somebody who already feels used and betrayed isn’t going to help them find their way back to reality.
Remember that we are going to need to be as united as possible on this war against the oligarchs. Whether someone has seen this threat coming for years, or only just now realized what’s going on, it’s not going to matter in the big picture. It’s better to educate than isolate.
Lots of people responding here are missing your point
No, they’re making a counter-point, that’s not the same thing. Their point is:
If somebody you know voted for Trump is now struggling to understand what’s going on, and they voice this thought to you, take it as an opportunity
To laugh in their faces and mock them, as they deserve. Because these people have already gotten the nice attempts, and can now eat shit
Instead of just mocking them, maybe point out how they maybe can’t trust where they got their idea of who trump was, and maybe to stop supporting him?
20 years of pointing out that shit like Fox News was just feels over reals sure did a lot of good on that front.
maybe point out how they maybe can’t trust where they got their idea of who trump was
people have been doing this for years. YEARS
i will mock and ridicule them until the day i die. fuck trump, and fuck trump supporters.
I guarantee you that the people saying “this isn’t what I voted for” voted for him in 2016, 2020, and in 2024.
They got exactly what they voted for. These people are just surprised that the leopard is eating their face, and not those of darker skin.
“If you believed x, maybe it’s time to look at who told you x and whether they’re a trustworthy source of information”
This happened in the UK too with Brexit. When things turned out badly, in the exact way as was predicted, it was “this isn’t what I voted for”. But the problem was never with the vote itself, it was always the fault of politicians not implementing things correctly, it was the EU’s fault for not giving them what they wanted although they voted to be outside of it, experts didn’t warn them enough although they ridiculed said experts because the experts didn’t went along with the Brexit beliefs.
It’s like trying to be Scully and going against Mulder’s “I want to believe”.
The truth is out there. But so are lies.
So, so many lies.
I mean if you read it article it’s full of “this is the Democrats fault” and “we made a mistake, but we’ll never admit it”. So many are still flailing, looking for anyone else to blame and absolve them of a dumbass move.
This works when no faith is involved. Trumpists are a cult. People who believe in something at an irrational level (like what happens with religious fundamentalists) can’t be reasoned with. They are way beyond the point where reason works with them. Now only a very hard wake up in the form of a traumatic event will work for them.
Have you ever tried to convince a very religious person that their god doesn’t exist? Same thing.
“Oh, then this isn’t what I thought I voted for.”
It’s exactly what you thought you voted for. (They wouldn’t admit that they’re wrong though)
Leopards ate my face
when you voted to deport grandma
