All that hand wringing over what kind of protest should be ok, you guys are exhausting. The kind of protest doesn’t make a difference at all. A lot of people will say it’s unacceptable no matter what. I’ll even admit sometimes a protest misses the mark, but I’m still glad they did it.
The kids are alright
My only opinion is that if the protest dosen’t hurt the owner class, then it’s not going to do anything anyway.
Any protest is better than complaining or arguing on the internet. I’ll let the tactics to the actual people doing their actions. Nothing but encouragement from me 👍
The protest isn’t intended to hurt the owner class. The protest is intended to draw attention to the issue. We’re talking about it therefore it’s an effective form of protest.
Without protests like this we go about our lives worrying about bills and ignore the literal apocalyptic catastrophe we’re nose-diving into.
How would your reaction have been if it wasn’t a cultural artifact creating by Europeans? Say they did it at Native American site or Aboriginal?
As a european, i dont give a shit. As a german, they could have blown up the brandenburg gate for all i care
Gotcha. So now we know the answer.
Don’t waste energy categorizing right or wrong ways to protest. All this is a distraction from the actual issues.
Don’t tell me what to do.
I wasn’t really, only in a rhetorical sense. You’re kinda being a dick about it, tho. Are you on a mission to be the most downvoted commenter or something? Don’t let me get in your way.
Pretty sure this guy just runs around Lemmy trying to stir things up. I had a run-in with him recently that was needless contentious and I’m not surprised to see him doing the same thing here
That’s what I thought, yeah. Some people…
If it’s as non-destructive as the rest of their protests, then I’d have nothing against it
That is what I was hoping to hear.
And I still say doing a stunt that even makes it look like you’ve done some real damage to Stonehenge right in the middle of a religious festival does not make you look like the good guys. People in another thread said it spread awareness. Who isn’t aware? I’m fully aware of climate change and there’s fuck all I can do about it.
But at least it was not permanent vandalism.
Industrial sabotage is whats needed at this point imo.
Not only did they decide to do it in the middle of a religious festival, they did it in the middle of a festival that’s part of a religion that worships nature.
Clearly, a good portion of the population isn’t aware of how serious the situation is, it’s still an election issue.
If the right level of awareness was reached, having any kind of oil money around you would be a political death sentence. Instead, Trump has public bribe meetings with oil execs and his base grows because of it.
Ok, now please explain, since no one else will, why pissing people off is a good way to achieve that.
Have you ever convinced anyone of something by pissing them off?
They said the same about woman and gay rights movements. You can’t make noise, block traffic or even talk about it without pissing people off.
Not to mention most of the anger is manufactured by oil execs and then enabled by people with little to no proper reasoning skills.
That’s a little different from disrespecting a religious festival, isn’t it?
Pivoting into religious rights about the summer solstice celebration. That’s a stretch if I’ve ever seen one. I don’t see why religious monuments should be exempt from harmless protests but I really doubt you would have called stone hedge one yesterday if it wasn’t for it suiting your argument today.
Is that your stance. You are pissed because you think the religious rights of the revelers got trampled on?
First of all, I didn’t say anything about rights. This is about respecting people. People who are on their side.
Secondly, it was a religious celebration, as it is for British Wiccans and other people of similar faiths every year.
Maybe you don’t consider them religions or something, but they are.
Why are you more angry about a stunt that did no damage than you are about actual ecological damage done by oil companies for profit?
How do you know what I’m more angry about?
By what you’re crowing about.
I’m “crowing” about the subject of the article. Otherwise known as being on-topic.
and there’s fuck all I can do about it.
Sounds like maybe you are lacking some awareness around this issue.
Okay, you tell me exactly what I’m supposed to do.
Lots of things but the easiest would be to find local orgs that have already developed political strategies relevant to your local political context and work with them. They can fill you in on the rest.
Climate change won’t be addressed until there is a much larger movement that can flex serious political power. Think civil rights movement—that’s the kind of organizing we need.
Okay, now what can I do when I’m so sick that I have to rest for hours after walking the dogs for 30 minutes?
There is much work to be done and not all of it is physical. I don’t know the specifics of your condition but you are here posting on social media. At minimum, there is likely a need for similar work to be done in support of your local orgs.
Again, if you find some local folks doing such work, I am sure they would help you find your niche.
So you’re saying don’t look like you’re vandalizing an ancient monument during a religious festival held by nature worshipers? I agree and that was my point.
They answered what you can do and you completely ignored it.
- Who isn’t aware?
Like half of the world is in denial.
How would you spread awareness that translates to action?
Denial is not lack of awareness.
I don’t know exactly how I would spread awareness, but I know exactly how I wouldn’t: Making people think I damaged a beloved ancient monument during a religious festival… a religious festival, as someone else pointed out, for people who venerate nature.
How about, as an idea, paint bombing Shell Oil headquarters?
If you’d been paying attention, you’d know it wasn’t permanent from the get go.
I think it’s a bit unfair they call it just “paint” when it was merely cornstarch that would wash off by itself.
There’s a huge difference in the degree of vandalism if it’s something that wash off by itself.This is by design and most people fell for it entirely. Even the second highest content in this thread is carrying water for big oil.
Well good! It’d be fucking travesty to permanently damage a world heritage
Yes and climate change, also caused by people, is going to more than damage a whole shitload of world heritage.
Oh shit, was it that easy to fix climate change? To vandalize heritage sites was all it took?
It’s clearly not enough.
Well I’d argue it does nothing. In fact, it probably is counter productive, so instead of nothing it does the opposite
Ah yes, it’s holding back the massive sweeping wave of change currently going on to fix climate change.
No, don’t be a dumbass. It’s raising awareness, because it’s obvious nobody is giving a shit about this really fucking massive problem that is directly on our doorstep. Painting Stonehenge isn’t going to accomplish anything except be a nuisance, but being a nuisance is how you compel people to get shit done non-violently. MLK and his sit-ins pushed civil rights forward by being a nuisance. Gandhi pushed Britain out of India by being a nuisance. If you accept the status quo, the status quo will remain. You have to get out and make noise and attract a following if you want the folks in charge to pay attention to your existence.
Trust me, you want them painting on Stonehenge for attention. This is the non-violent option. When this is ignored long enough, the non-violent option will be shelved and that’s when people will suddenly start paying attention.
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.” - John F. Kennedy, 1962
You would accomplish much more by voting and getting two people under 30 years old to do the same.
Also I missed the part of the civil rights movement where they blocked ambulances and threw paint on stone hedge.
I wonder when these protests will turn into actual oil executive assassinations like in Ministry for the Future. We’re already rushing our way into a heat wave mass death event.
Never. That would involve real jail time and they are cowards
This group’s activism is so tone-deaf that I’m starting to think this is actually the oil companies pretending to be terrible activists.
No matter what the form of protest, you will think it’s tone-deaf because you have been trained to. The oil industry spends a lot of money spamming comments like yours because they know eventually, fools will start parroting it for them.
What’s your reasoning? Do you think it’s ineffective even though it’s made world wide news. Is non destructive play vandalism of old rocks somehow too extreme of a response for the clear destruction of our environment?
It’s hard not to be part of the problem, since over consumption habits are difficulty to get rid of when no else is. I won’t fault you for that. Protests aren’t everyone’s thing, whatever.
At the minimum though, you could just not be a mouthpiece for the ones who are causing said problem. Seriously, like if you’ve ever given a shit about stone hedge before.
No matter what the form of protest, you will think it’s tone-deaf because you have been trained to.
MMmmmmmmmmm No. It’s actually tone-deaf. And assholish. And idiotic. And stupid. And I hate them Sam I Am.
Seriously, they are more damaging to actual protest movements than Big Oil. I’m seconding the astroturfing theory. Their methods are not just ridiculous, they’re offensive on multiple levels, and here’s the part where I disagree with my younger more smartical friends: IT DOES NOT HELP IN ANY WAY. “Oh but it gets the message out there!” And what message would that be? If the message is “stupid idiots deface art or humanity for shiggles” then sure, I’d agree. Otherwise it’s just more headwinds to fight against, a self-own for - well, we don’t really know why other than they think it’s great to be filming themselves.
The message is that people care more about non-damaging vandalism to famous objects than they do about climate change which will cause irreparable damage to many of these same objects, be it through hazardous weather, rising seas, or global conflict.
Not exactly a great message in terms of optics. Usually a bad idea to insult your audience
I pissed on all them rocks, y’all gon stop flying private jets now? Don’t make me get some Taco Bell and come back. These people crack me up, like I give two fucks if they destroy historical artifacts and it’s actually going to change my mind about anything.
They sprayed cornstarch on them, both piss and Taco Bell would be far worse. It is just about getting attention to people actually destroying the world, while not destroying anything. It would be cheaper and much easier to buy spray paint than to right cornstarch into a sprayable device… But that would cause damage, which they didn’t want.
But that would cause damage, which they didn’t want.
They blocked ambulances
They blocked ambulances to what? The stones? Feel like I just went /whoosh
Another incident but same group. Maybe instead of going “whoosh” to yourself you can read up on the issue
… So different people, different area and I am supposed to know what incident you are talking about, got it. Care to point to the incident or should we just throw everyone in jail that supports a group that did something wrong? Seems like that would violate a lot of human rights. But if you want to start with a group, let’s start with MAGA, they have promoted how many unconstitutional proposals and acts that went through before federal judges having to turn them down. Throw in the attacks on people… They’d be screwed. Every one of them is guilty of stealing personal information from hospitals, yikes.
The issue here was cornstarch on rocks. You are talking about things further than clouds in the sky
No same people same organization same country. Yes I do expect you to do the slightest amount of research on a group’s character before you start charging in and providing free apologetics for them.
Seems like that would violate a lot of human rights.
I salute your nobel victory over the Strawmen army.
But if you want to start with a group, let’s start with MAGA
Misdirection.
The issue here was cornstarch on rocks. You are talking about things further than clouds in the sky
They blocked ambulances.
So can you show me where these two people blocked ambulances or is your strawmen still feeding your calling out strawmen?
Yes the misdirection calling out your misdirection was indeed misdirection.
“They blocked ambulances”. Evidence these people blocked ambulances or you are guilty of everything you are defending with. It better be these 2 people as well… Or you are slandering those people. : )
Edit: Oh and for the record, I looked it up. It was about 30x farther than the clouds, and not them.
People care more about the old rock placement than the actual air that we breathe today.
