• AuroraB@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    As a queer person in a place currently under russian control, I find a lot of the comments in favour of the censorship problematic. Being gay in public is illegal here, so a lot of our queer people find communities on the Internet. Being cut off from those would be terrible.

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    Russia tests cutting itself their citizens off from the rest of the internet

    The state would certainly continue to interfere with the rest.

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      If everybody but the state is blocked, then any connections from Russia would be pretty fucking obviously the state. Honestly, that’s the best thing that could happen, since it would make figuring out what they are doing easy as fuck. But I have no doubt they are smart enough to just send their teams to China or something like North Korea does.

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      In the long term is will fuck over their ability to hack stuff. You’re essentially ruining people’s ability to develop talent at tech. Even if u want to train them in it as military, it would be new to them.

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    Yeah I’m sure going full north Korea and cutting of everyone below the government is gonna work well

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      Depends upon how you measure “well”.

      The Kim dynasty is still going strong, three generations in. Odds are that the Kims and probably a number of people at the top would be worse-off if things changed. From their perspective, things probably are going pretty well in North Korea.

      Of course, the standard of living of the North Korean public is pretty horrendous, the economy is undeveloped, and North Korea doesn’t have a lot of international clout. If your metric is whether the typical person in society is living well or whether the country is powerful, wealthy, or secure, then things aren’t going very well.

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        NK never had Internet. The people never lost anything. Everyone in Russia is online. They might not have toilets, but they have mobile data.

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          Partially right. North Korean citizens didn’t have internet, but there was a internet connection. I think it was on Reddit where someone found the Peering router and was able to get a rough network topology. It’s how red star OS was found out. They also found apple devices connected to the neteork.

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        Odds are that the Kims and probably a number of people at the top would be worse-off if things changed.

        I mean, when you compare North Korea to the poorer parts of the periphery that capitulated to neoliberal capital - Haiti, Liberia, the former Yugoslavian states, Argentina right now, the Philippines, Lebanon or Iraq or Gaza - even the lay resident is getting out reasonably well off. They aren’t living in an active war zone, they’ve got a backwards but still functional economy, and they’re even making inroads on foreign trade at long last.

        The xenophobic siege mentality of the Kims appears to have spared them a far worse fate, just by keeping the country isolated from shit like COVID and The War on Terror. They never got the windfall of the 20th century industrial economy, but they also didn’t get systematically wiped out like American Natives or Black Angolans or Rohingya Muslims.

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      What makes you think the worst parts won’t still get through or be allowed through…like troll farms or hacking groups?

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        Well if they cut themselves off, then why wouldn’t western nations just finish the job and block all Russian IPs from connecting? Make them travel outside of Russia to set up propaganda machines. Sure, it won’t have much of an effect, but it’ll annoy them, and that’s something.

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          They’d just do the same thing anyone does when the want to obscure their home IP. Just use VPNs, route though sympathetic counties, or other ways to hide who you are. It’d just be a constant game of whack-a-mole. Why do you think we can’t just block people who hack our infrastructure or companies can’t so easily block data thieves? If all it took was blocking a couple addresses or a range it would be easy.

    • friendless@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      It is like those “drills” with fighter jets flying close by. Everyone does it occasionally to test reaction time. And every time it is a breaking world news.

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        Nah, it doesn’t always make the news. I know of one time where they flew right over my house and there was no mention of it anywhere, so I tell this story every time anyone mentions those “routine” fly overs.

        It was New Year 2019-2020 about noon.

        The MIG came in from the Kattegat coast and roared through a fjord well below reasonable eardeafening altitude, which made me go outside to see what the fuck was going on. It got intercepted by one of our own F-16s and they did a few rounds of dog chasing right above my head before it flew like hell back towards Russia. The fucker must’ve dodged the Swedes on the way here.

        Way out of line. It’s completely reckless to put some kid into a machine like that and have them fly this close to residential areas. Who knows what would’ve happened and how many people would’ve been hurt if the idiot had hit a tall antenna or lost control from the g-force or whatever. They were flying low, fast and swirling like moth being chased by a flyswatter.

        The Russians are reckless assholes even in peace.

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    Fuck. Please don’t take down Sci hub… I know there are mirrors elsewhere, should I be worried?

    I’m not even going to make the usual joke, by saying sarcastically that I don’t use it and wouldn’t recommend it to anyone. It’s the biggest contributor to scientific progress in the last decade and I’m tired of pretending it’s not

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    Wouldn’t it collapse their economy? Like how many Russians are digital sex workers selling content to the rest of the world? And doesn’t a shitton of money flow into Russia via ransomware

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      Like how many Russians are digital sex workers selling content to the rest of the world?

      I think those will move somewhere with Internet connectivity.

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      Wow, you are really brainwashed if you think the macro-economy of a country depend on these…

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        All that this person ever sees Russians do is be a digital sex worker. Surely that means it must represents most of their economy, right? What else can we believe but our eyes? The internet cables connecting the west and Russia must then be like the Nordstream projects, we’ve been manoeuvred into a situation of terrible dependence on this Russian natural resource. How will we ever escape from it?