Hey Gaza / Free Palestine guys,

I’m pissed about the Kamala loss but that’s not important right now. I need to know what media you were using.

Where did Free Palestine/ Gaza memes and discussions start?

I’m worried that the discussion is a right wing disinformation campaign designed to make us tear each other apart. I cannot find any legitimate politician (even far left ones like Bernie Sanders, AOC, etc. etc) that would have pushed the message of ‘Joe Biden / Kamala is just as bad as Trump on the issue of Gaza’.

The only ones who would push that message are right wing trolls who try to separate us. So now I want to track down and confirm my suspicions. Who meme’d this? Where did you hear it? Was it Twitter? TikTok? Reddit? Facebook? Instagram?

  • PhilipTheBucketAEnglish
    32·
    5 hours ago

    The fact of the matter is that Biden has emboldened Israel enough where they are actively performing an extermination campaign in Gaza, invading Lebanon and the West Bank, and escalating to a regional war with Iran.

    True.

    All of this could have been stopped with a single phone call from Biden at any point in the past 13 months.

    False. He had many phone calls. They didn’t help.

    An active genocide in Gaza and the possibility of an escalating regional war was one of the most massive threats to Biden’s reelection prospects. Look what happened.

    If he could have ended it with one phone call, just cancelled the whole operation, he would have. Are you trying to tell me that he just loves dead Palestinians and war in the Middle East so much that he wanted the whole thing to happen even though it was absolute kryptonite to his own and his party’s domestic political prospects, in addition to being a historic crime against humanity, just because?

    This is why a genocide under the Trump administration is seems as more or less the same thing.

    Absolutely false. Wait and see, and observe the difference. Not that it wasn’t already a stain on humanity, but it’s now going to get substantially worse.

    My guess is that by the end of Trump’s term, all of Gaza will be annexed to Israel, and all the Palestinians that were there will be exiled or dead. None of this 35,000 numbers anymore, with aid coming in sometimes. And, several other Gaza-like situations will have come up all over the world, with Trump actively pushing them forward instead of just handing over weapons to the one who wants to be doing them.

    Because it’s happening as we speak, and Biden is doing nothing to stop or slow them down.

    False. See above.

    Edit: You know what? This one is true, I guess. He’s “trying” but not enough to accomplish much of anything. My mental model is that he’s stuck between losing support if he sends weapons, and losing support from the majority of Americans that are pro-Israel, if he doesn’t. But yes, the level of resistance he’s offering isn’t stopping it.

    The difference is, Trump will hit the gas, and support Netanyahu no matter how many Arabs he kills, I think. Also he’ll start mistreating Arabs inside the US, and destroy Palestinian aid agencies, as he did during his first term. He really doesn’t like Arabs.

    It’s not that Arabs voted overwhelmingly in favor of Trump, they just refused to vote for Democrats on principle.

    True.

    Turns out arming a nation that is actively engaged with the genocide of Arabs, silencing them when speaking up, and staunchly defending said country is something that turned Arabs off from voting for the Democrats again.

    Absolutely true.

    I’m not trying to have any kind of hostile interaction with you. I feel bad about doing so and I hear @dragontamer@lemmy.world about just wanting to learn about the situation without needing people to fight in the comments. Just saying how I see it point by point through your narrative. The whole element of it that is presupposing that Biden wanted all of this to happen, or that Trump won’t cause an absolutely insane acceleration of the slaughter operation, is what’s making me mad about it.

    • Sundial@lemm.eeEnglish
      3·
      5 hours ago

      If he could have ended it with one phone call, just cancelled the whole operation, he would have. Are you trying to tell me that he just loves dead Palestinians and war in the Middle East so much that he wanted the whole thing to happen even though it was absolute kryptonite to his own and his party’s domestic political prospects, in addition to being a historic crime against humanity, just because?

      The DoJ is currently sitting on 500 documented cases of war crimes by Israel while using American weapons. They have a legal standing to halt arms shipments on a whim. If there’s even a whiff that America would stop arming Israel they would stop. Israel would not be able to exist let alone fight this war without American support. Also, keep in mind that even Ronald Reagan was able to talk down Israel with a single phone call when they tried the same thing in the 80s.

      I don’t think Biden likes to see dead Palestinian children, but I also don’t think it’s a coincidence that he has received more money from pro Israel lobbyists than any other Senator in history. No other president in history has emboldened Israel the way Biden has.

      Absolutely false. Wait and see, and observe the difference. Not that it wasn’t already a stain on humanity, but it’s now going to get substantially worse.

      The domino’s have been falling consistently for the past 13 months. The escalations we are going to see over the next few months would have happened regardless if Trump won or lost. It’s abundantly clear there’s little to no red lines when it comes to Israel’s actions, regardless if it’s Democrats or Republicans in charge.

      I’d also like to point out that Biden campaigned on certain promises for Arabs concerning Palestine that he never fulfilled. Biden has been ignoring the Arab demographic for longer than 13 months.

      You’re not being hostile IMO so don’t worry about appearing that way. If I didn’t want to to discuss politics I wouldn’t be in this community. I know this

      I’m not saying Biden wanted it to happen. I’m saying he let it happen, just as Trump would. When all is said and done a genocide is a genocide, the pace of it matters little. And the conflict is also already boiling over to the rest of the middle east. All while a Democrat is President. Harris would have been better than Trump on virtually every other topic, but for this one there is little to no difference. Both vocalize staunch and unwavering support of Israel. Just one side vocalizes it a bit more politely.

      • PhilipTheBucketAEnglish
        11·
        2 hours ago

        So now we’ve gone from one phone call, to cutting off aid and letting Israel get destroyed. The US can do that, sure. No problem. If Biden did that, no Democrats would win elections for the next 20 years. He’d probably get impeached, with the full support of all those AIPAC Democrats in congress, and then they’d get their aid from his replacement.

        I think he had the phone call, said Rafah was a red line, Netanyahu went in anyway, and that’s the choice he faced. Like I say, you’re claiming that he just randomly decided not to do anything when it would have been incredibly easy, for reason that don’t make the slightest bit of sense for Biden even in terms of his own self-interest.

        Besides that, Kamala is at least an unknown quantity in it. There’s a middleeasteye article comparing the two somewhere in my history. We don’t know she won’t continue Biden’s policies, but she also wasn’t the one in charge at the time, and we don’t know that she will continue them. With Trump, we know we’re getting a monster.

        You fired the babysitter because when her brother was in charge, your kid got bit by a dog. Now, you’re saying it’s no different if a known vicious dog is the babysitter, because what’s the difference. To me that makes no sense.