Ah yeah the standard low effort copypasta canned arguments.

Go learn to write more than a copy/paste and try to understand topics moving forward yo. Pretending to be an uncaring sociopath online is like Twitter / X shit. This is Lemmy, I presume you are here because you actually give a shit about these discussions.

Lulz. If you can’t spar with me, you will get eaten up by the actual far right / mainstream Americans out there.

Be happy I’m willing to come over here and push back against your bubble. You guys obviously need it if you’re upvoting shitty misinformation memes like this.

The best part of this entire discussion? Elon Musk is part of the $1/year salary club. Your entire fucking meme doesn’t even apply to the most corrupt of CEOs.

Your argument sucks and you should make a new one. Sorry I’m the bearer of bad news but that’s better than y’all idiots going out to the real world and having a far right goon own you in a debate.

The board of directors removes the obvious corruption argument.

And shareholders select the board of directors anyway, so if shareholders agree to new terms of values then CEOs can and will be fired.

I’m looking at Intel for example and how they mistreated Pat Gelsinger and fired him despite being a technical leader. And the new incoming CEO is Lip-Bu Tan, who is a non-technical finance bro who is worse. Why did the shareholders (and board of directors) prefer Lip-Bu Tan?

There is a large scale hero worship bro culture that’s at the root of all the problems here, a culture that millions of shareholders have which is then passed to the Board of Directors and finally the C-suite that the Board hires.

But no. Let make shitty memes that misunderstand the power dynamics and perpetuates misinformation. That will help your argument lol.

EDIT and that doesn’t even get to say, all the CEOs who take a $1/year paycheck just to prove you wrong. The problem here is hero worship cult culture. The pay and salaries are a distraction and easily avoided with various simple political / Public Relations moves.

Because today’s hero worship culture makes the mass of shareholders believe that these CEOs have skills that cannot be replicated by cheaper labor.

But that’s not quite as simple a problem. The issue is that you are up against literally millions of shareholders who have different values than you.

Go talk to a Tesla shareholder. They pretty much think Elon is a god. So no amount of salary is too much as long as they get Elon leading those companies. (But Elon also only takes a $1/year salary anyway to prove how awesome he is, so this entire discussion train is immediately derailed if you actually start trying to apply it in practice).

This entire meme just fundamentally misses the entire fucking problem and is nothing more than a distraction.

Exactly, except in reverse.

If you want to attract the talent of someone who has networth in the millions+++, you need to pay them more.

The form of your argument and where you are going with the discussion is very short sighted. This isn’t a path to any actual winning argument. I suggest you start elsewhere.

This is the problem with shitty memes. They poison your brain and make you dumb. If you actually want to make a reasonable argument throw this topic away and start anew.

It’s not you who is wrong. It’s this meme. It’s just a terrible starting place for discussion and is innately to your disadvantage.

The board of directors is doing so. And they do so because the board follows the will of the shareholders. And the shareholders ultimately decide the fate of companies.

But that won’t fit in a simple meme will it?

Non sequitur and you know it. Hopeless blathering hoping to find some way to make this meme correct.

Just rewrite the meme correctly from the start so that it’s actually a reflection of reality rather than a reflection of ignorance.

These low effort memes are just that. Low effort communication. Misinformation is bad in all regards and if shitty incorrect arguments are all that is needed to convince you of … whatever this is… then you’re an ignorant uneducated fucked citizen. Surely you see the problem here?

It’s not about better or worse. It’s about being correct and understanding the people and societal structures at work here

If you aren’t interested in knowing how and why CEOs get paid, maybe don’t make dumbass memes about this subject.

Or do. I don’t give a shit. But good luck having people believe you if you can’t even get the basics correct. Or otherwise feel good that your online culture got infiltrated by blatant misinformation.

That’s literally the same power you have at work. Just leave work if you don’t like your paycheck.

Do you see how stupid that argument sounds now?

Depends on the company.

Tim Cook, CEO of Apple, owns 0.02% of Apple for example. This is #1 largest company in the world.

Satya Nadella, CEO of Microsoft, owns 0.01% of Microsoft. This is the 2nd largest company in the world.

Jensen Huang is 3.5% of NVidia a serious level of ownership but a far cry from controlling the board. 3rd largest company but the biggest shareholder is Vanguard group at over 8%.

Institutional banks have the largest leeway, by far, in all of these companies. Understanding the voting structure of these companies is important if you don’t want to sound like an ignorant dumbass.

Yeah, there’s your Elon Musks and whatnot as exceptions. But they’re really rare even in the scope of top companies of the SP500 and whatnot.

A good example of the ignorance of the masses and the left

The Board of Directors selects (and pays) the CEO.

I can’t remember if there’s anything like the hyenas in Hamlet, but I kind of don’t think so

Gravediggers at the Elephant Graveyard.

Not: Gilgamesh is the oldest still surviving written story.

There was writing older than Gilgamesh. There were cities and culture before 2000BCE. Its just so old that nothing at all survived beyond that time period.

There’s the Bronze Age Collapse, Burning of the Great Library, and many other events that destroyed history in the 1000BCE period. Those old people may have had older records than Gilgamesh, but all we have today is Gilgamesh if that makes any sense.

There’s an evil uncle and ghost dad visits

Evil Uncle who becomes king. Former King becomes a Ghost Dad after Hamlet/Simba goes crazy on drugs. Rosencrantz & Guildenstern (Timone and Pumba) jump in and provide 4th wall breaking commentary and comedy.

You seem to have missed quite a few references.

King Arthur isn’t “one story” though. King Arthur is closer to 1100s-era fanart / fanfiction culture.

EVERYONE was making King Arthur stories back then. And guess what? They contradicted. That’s why we have Excalibur vs Sword in the Stone (sometimes they’re the same sword. Sometimes they aren’t. Its a big contradiction because there’s no singular author).

The Chinese Great Novel “Journey to the West” is truly one story by one author with multiple millennia of copycats. Meanwhile, King Author is basically a millennia of copycats without anyone knowing who the original was to begin with. Very different fundamentally.

Black Panther is clearly Hamlet in reverse.

Even got the spirit of ancestors / ghost scene, kings, wrong princes, duels and lots of killing.

The heros journey.

Its been copied so much no one really knows what the original was.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero's_journey#/media/File:Heroesjourney.svg

And you fail to address my point.

These loose collections of movements are too easily disparaged and negated on the political stage. I wish you the best, but I know what’s going to happen

The violence will escalate and there will be no spokesman to strategize a message.

You haven’t said anything that addresses my core point. You just hope, without reason, that your methods will lead to meaningful change.

You underestimate the ease at which the right can disrupt leaderless leftist mobs.

We are beginning to see the deployment and coordination of far right individuals to attend things like Tesla Takedown. And unlike you, these far right assholes have a leader and a plan, and know each other.

How will you differentiate between false flag ops done during these protests vs official acts of resistance?

I wish the best for the protesters. But it’s all very dumb. Maybe we manage to defeat Trump in the long term but some very obvious acts of disruption are going to fuck over these protesters.

They should be trying to learn from Occupy, BLM and other more recent movements.