What is happening with editorial boards is not normal. You need to understand this first.

They are not part of the newsroom, so anyone telling you that is lying. What happened at the LAT and WaPo are the beginning. Have you not read history? They come for you. You just think it’s more steps away.

  • Zier@fedia.io
    221·
    15 days ago

    Journalism died when the nightly news used puns in every story. When reporters were sent to a dark parking lot or out into a torrential storm just so they could be “LIVE”. It died when every headline was clickbait even before the internet. It died when “journalists” thought they were the saviors of our society by constantly reminding us that they were our saviors, ego much? The “news” is always about the 99% of things that are going bad in the world. How utterly biased and pathetic. There are good things happening everywhere, all the time. But according to journalists, newspapers, & TV stations, we are always one breath away from the entire fucking planet exploding. People are sick to death of the industry wide systemic negativity, and they tune out and shut it off. Those who are addicted to the doomsday garbage join twitter.

  • CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.workEnglish
    16·
    15 days ago

    When I think of journalism collapsing, I think of the persecution of Julian Assange or the targeting of journalists in Gaza. The blocking of editorial boards’ endorsements seems trivial in comparison.

        • PhilipTheBucketA
          5·
          15 days ago

          So, you just have your thing you want to say, and you’re not interested in reading our stuff or any point that isn’t what you already had picked out to say, not interested in a conversation, nothing like that, huh?

          Just going to keep saying your thing with increasing curtness for as long as someone keeps sending you replies? It sort of looks that way.

          • CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.workEnglish
            3·
            14 days ago

            I just try to be concise when I can. Either these papers only just started serving their owners’ material interests a few days ago or the outrage over the non-endorsements is contrived, irrational, and/or self-important; an embarrassing freak-out.

            • PhilipTheBucketA
              4·
              14 days ago

              The issue isn’t that billionaires owning papers is new. It’s the billionaires hewing to Trump, when previously they were willing to publicly feud with him as people would do in a free society. A good example is Bezos versus the US government over the issue of USPS carrying Amazon packages. Since they’re now showing signs of obedience to Trump in fear of being punished, important scholars are pointing out that it’s a huge problem with a long history in the collapse of democracies into autocracies. It’s a critical force multiplier for the worst and most dangerous features of a fascist government.

              I already said this to you, with citations, as did others. You’re so excited about making your point and convinced that you know better that I suspect you’ll just repeat your previous point of view, pretending I said nothing of interest. I eagerly invite you to do that again, if you like.

              • CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.workEnglish
                4·
                14 days ago

                I just do not understand this worldview that the billionaires are supposed to have protected journalism, let alone served as an important bulwark against fascism. It was already game over if that’s the case.

              • t3rmit3@beehaw.org
                2·
                14 days ago

                I think you and CrimeDad are kind of talking past each other.

                Since they’re now showing signs of obedience to Trump in fear of being punished, important scholars are pointing out that it’s a huge problem with a long history in the collapse of democracies into autocracies.

                I think this is simply the intrinsic interplay of the capitalist class and autocrats, though. They (millionaires, billionaires, etc) will, as a group, always protect themselves first when an autocrat comes along.

                You are looking at the situation and saying, “Well, them kowtowing is clearly evidence that an autocrat has come along, because when it’s not an autocrat they don’t kowtow”, and CrimeDad is looking at it and saying, “Yes, but they’re just the indicator, they should never have been expected to try to stop this. They just intrinsically will align themselves with autocrats in order to maintain their positions of power, but despite that we’ve allowed them to take control of a core protection of our democracy (press freedom)”.

              • Pete Hahnloser@beehaw.orgOPM
                2·
                14 days ago

                You clearly are in the field. Or somewhere off in socialism land, but the point remains: We cannot do this again. It turned out pretty bad for Hoover. Things got slightly worse in Germany.

            • t3rmit3@beehaw.org
              3·
              14 days ago

              or the outrage over the non-endorsements is contrived, irrational, and/or self-important; an embarrassing freak-out

              I think it’s more that most ‘normies’ never actually thought we’d get here (this close to an open autocracy), and this is the clearest indicator to most of them that autocracy is rapidly arriving, and now they’re freaking out. Obv the capitalist class was always going to align with an autocrat rather than risk their wealth, and never should have been allowed to run newspapers, but here we are.

              • CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.workEnglish
                1·
                14 days ago

                Meanwhile, with Harris’s enthusiastic acceptance of Dick Cheney’s endorsement, there’s a resurgent fascism within the Democrats that these normies are happily ignoring. That guy did more to expand American fascism than Trump even promises. Therefore, this election isn’t really about totalitarianism versus democracy. That’s another reason why the anticipatory obedience accusation isn’t relevant. It would have also been anticipatory obedience to endorse Harris.

      • Pete Hahnloser@beehaw.orgOPM
        4·
        14 days ago

        It’s this one. Been trying to figure out where you spoke with my voice, and it’s here. Not a slight, we just … settle on things.

      • JimmyBigSausage@lemm.ee
        3·
        15 days ago

        They didn’t endorse Trump. They are all playing Switzerland. Read the stories and vote. Just vote people!

        • Che Banana@beehaw.org
          12·
          15 days ago

          A non endorsement is an endorsement in itself.

          If you sit at a table with 9 other people and 1 is a Nazi and nobody says anything, you’re at a table with 10 nazis.

          I had an early friendship tested one night unexpectedly because our friends contractor (an English ‘expat’) started confiding in me after quite a few pints about some actual Nazi shit which I nipped in the bud but would not let him off the hook-our conversation was mostly between us but my friend caught enough of it (and a follow up conversation later) that the Nazi is no longer his local contractor.

          Fuck these guys.

          • Pete Hahnloser@beehaw.orgOPM
            6·
            15 days ago

            If you sit at a table with 9 other people and 1 is a Nazi and nobody says anything, you’re at a table with 10 nazis.

            People regularly fail to grasp this.

          • Pete Hahnloser@beehaw.orgOPM
            2·
            15 days ago

            I spent a semester in apparently Northern Germany. You saw a Nazi, you got the fuck out. They’re going to win.

        • ulkesh@beehaw.orgEnglish
          6·
          15 days ago

          Yes. And they didn’t not endorse Trump, as well. Which is the whole point here. They are laying down their arms just in case the wannabe authoritarian fascist dictator happens to win.

          And the one fighting chance, outside of voting, and taking up arms, is a free press. Benjamin Franklin knew this and used it to its fullest capacity. And that is what is dying — without a free press, the vote is then in danger because any semblance of truth is already dead.

          Then what are we left with?

          Guns. And death.

          And guess who benefits from that?

          • Pete Hahnloser@beehaw.orgOPM
            5·
            15 days ago

            You know what the worst part of this is? Considering buying a gun so that at least we’re evenly matched. I don’t like that the idea was ever a thing.

      • CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.workEnglish
        4·
        14 days ago

        Well, these and other injuries against journalists and journalism aren’t new, but the coverage and outrage that I would have expected these and other outlets to produce has been relatively weak. Doesn’t seem like there’s much left standing to collapse.

  • The Doctor@beehaw.orgEnglish
    9·
    14 days ago

    “About to?”

    We’ve been watching journalism die in realtime over the last decade. Jeff Bezos discarding all pretense the other day was just the latest in a long line of failures.

  • Dagwood222@lemm.ee
    2·
    14 days ago

    Talk to some older people. They got to watch the movie “Network” go from cutting edge satire to quaint docu-drama in real time.

    • Pete Hahnloser@beehaw.orgOPM
      2·
      14 days ago

      You can’t learn journalism from classes. We are not what that implies. Ten inches in two weeks? That’s useful for precisely no one.

  • tardigrada@beehaw.org
    1·
    13 days ago

    We are about to watch the collapse of journalism in real time.

    I respectfully disagree.

    Conventional media may collapse, but we see very good media outlets doing a great job - ProPublica, 404media, Bellingcat, OCCRP, many local andvregional outlets, … It could turn out to be a good sign if and when the media industry gains a more decentralized structure (the Fediverse is of great support here).

    So don’t subscribe to the large media papers and periodicals, support some independent smaller outlets that you like to read.

    • Pete Hahnloser@beehaw.orgOPM
      1·
      13 days ago

      So, we agree. I should have said “We are about to witness the collapse of corporate journalism in real time.”

      But, let’s be reasonable, that should have happened in the '80s.