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Isn’t 5% a lot? IIRC even the US aren’t that high. And what are we supposed to use all those soldiers and weapons for? Surely that’s overkill, even for Russia? Is this actually about China?
Edit: It’s 3.5% on the military and 1.5% on dual use infrastructure like roads, for a total of 5%. That’s high but quite a bit more sane.
It’s about war with the US. Well, probably other places too. Writing’s been on the wall for a while.
Until the USA goes full dictatorship (admittedly less hypothetical than I’d like) that’s not going to happen. Democracies don’t fight like this.
Also the US is who is pushing hardest for higher NATO defence spending. So that makes no sense.
5% is, in fact, a whole shitload.
The US is at about 3%, which is an insane amount a lot of which gets allocated to random domestic pork-barrel projects, or basic scientific research which is just getting funneled through the “defense” department for basically no reason. Upping it to more than the US spends per capita on its military is bonkers.
That being said, I get it. These are bonkers times. Russia is doing for-real military invasions and bombing whole cities and shows no signs of wanting to stop, and the US is no longer a reliable partner for defense and deterrence. It might be fine, but it might not. It’s time to get ready to look after our own safety again, after a long period of not really having to worry as long as you were white and Western. I get why they’re doing it.
5% is about what the UK spent up to 1985. It was 7% in 1960.
France spent 3% in 85, and 5% in the 60s, but they count “defence spending” differently.
Hasn’t that been the target for decades? Or whatever the number was, almost no country has been meeting it.
It’s been 2%. Historically a lot of NATO wasn’t meeting that, but in the last few years people have been taking it a lot more seriously.
Whoa. Poland sure decided to show up for the party in 2024. I wonder why…
Bad neighbors require good fences, or something like that.
Or at least paying the bill from the security company
I don’t like this analogy. It’s more like insurance premiums. We’re doing risk pooling, in a way.
NATO is a sham anyways, just disband it!
Instance checks out.
Yes, you should check it out, you might start cracking through the programming
Funny to say that about a place that’s desinged to radicalise you towards supporting the enemy
Disband .ml
I think it’s fine that the crackpots have their own instance. And anyway it’s possibly good that there’s a counterbalance to the right wing MAGA/Orban shitheads, although a stronger center would ofc be best. I just wish there was a way to block the ibstance so I wouldn’t have to listen to their inane opinions.
For what? For trying to help people see the truth for once?
I’m a good fish I tease but you won’t catch me.
Do NATO members expect America to honour it’s side of the alliance if they get attacked?
At this point, they certainly shouldn’t be counting on it
