Seems to me, like there is EXTREMELY, next to zero, or perhaps zero reason to ever HAVE to use a nuke. Nuke’s should be a defensive deterrent, not a first choice. I’m sure the military has plenty of other options.
It is so odd that this info being publicized…
They are trying to scare Iran into giving into what they want.
He thinks this is a genius plan.
It’s stupid.
Trump is as dumb as a sack of hammers, and he’s looking for a nail. He just wants to treat nukes like playthings, a rich man’s flex. Just to say he did. Like a canned trophy hunt of a Lion from the safety of helicopters and trucks with everyone around him at his paid service. No risk, no personal jeopardy. Drop the bomb for lols just to experience the fact he did it and will brag about it.
I checked if this was the onion after reading the title
None of us really have any power to change what’s coming. It is what it is.
I like to take comfort in the fact climate change is going to collapse civilization and drive the human race to functional extinction anyway, so none of this really matters.
Let the nukes fly. Better to die in a fireball than from starvation.
LFG.
What a shitty country.
Iran’s a shitty country.
Trump cheated to win the election. Most Americans are against him.
Most Americans might be against him, but the majority of those that voted voted for him. People’s apathy and the DNC continually being useless helped Trump win.
Lol. No. Fsce rey reality of your country, otherwise you’ll be unable to fix it.
He has an almost 50% approval rating from Americans so while you’re technically correct, that’s still a ridiculous amount of Americans who like him
That’s not the statistic I’ve seen. It was in the 30s last I saw. Among Republicans it was still fairly high, like 60s, and higher among MAGA, but the general public was much lower. Can you cite a recent source for your number? Otherwise, I’ll bolo for some updated numbers.
These are the stats I found:
- According to the most recent Gallup poll, Trump’s job approval rating was 43% in May.
- The Economist shows that 41% of people are favorable of Trump and 53% are unfavorable of him, according to the latest update from June 20.
- Rasmussen Reports poll from June 20 showed 52% approval and 47% disapproval of Trump.
- The Morning Consult tracker poll taken mid-June has dropped to 46% approval rating and 52% who disapprove.
- A Reuters/Ipsos poll reported that, as of June 16, 42% of those surveyed gave him a favorable approval rating of his performance in office.
- An InsiderAdvantage poll taken between June 15-16 showed Trump with 54.4% approval over a 44.1% disapproval of his job performance.
From here
President Donald Trump is not considering using a nuclear weapon, The Guardian reported on Wednesday
There’s no need to lose one’s mind over this. The headline isn’t saying a nuke should be used - it’s simply pointing out that a nuclear weapon would be the only thing capable of reaching a facility buried that deep under a mountain. The next best option would be the GBU-57 bunker-buster, but the U.S. would need to use a significant portion of its stockpile, since you’d have to hit the same spot multiple times to drill that deep. And even then, you’d likely only damage one section of the facility, with other parts protected behind blast doors.
Trump isn’t “considering” anything. He’s not a rational actor, he’s a narcissistic egomaniac, unable to ask or take advice, unable to think about anything that isn’t about how cool he is perceived.
So basically the won’t destroy it and Iran will though horrible expensive an even deeper facilty and go for the bomb, now for real.
Trump just desperately wants to nuke something. Anything’s fine, he just wants to drop a nuclear bomb on stuff. I mean, he was floating nuking a goddamned hurricane before.
He’s like a toddler that sees a big red button and just HAS to push it, because it’s just there and it’s so big and red and it will make things go boom!
I don’t trust him not to nuke even NYC.
I don’t disagree with your sentiment, but I think NYC would be off limits because it’s his “home” where he “has the tallest building because of 9/11” and other dumbass beliefs. Basically, he wouldn’t want to harm his precious Trump Tower.
LA though? Yeah, he might just fuckin do it.
While you’re not wrong, in general, I personally think this might be an excuse for us not to bomb the place. Trump has got himself caught in a civil war between his own cult members, and he hates not being at the center of attention and obeyed unconditionally. This might be a way to placate both sides. He can tell the pro-war side that he can’t use a weapon that’ll do the job, and he can tell the no-war side that he’s not gonna nuke it.
That way the Orange Jackass can wrench the conversation back to about how “he’s more peaceful than anyone’s ever seen before” or whatever bullshit he decides to vomit up.
You’re giving him waaay too much credit.
All he does is rant and complain, while doing what the Heritage Foundation people tell him to sign.It isn’t anything more complicated than that.
He’s a psychopathic narcissist. He thinks he always needs to be at the center of attention. Wouldn’t call that complicated.
This. His fan base thinks he’s playing 5D chess, while the liberals think he’s playing chess, but in reality he’s being allowed by his babysitters to throw checker pieces everywhere to divert attention.
Project plow share the border?
He should start a youtube channel that tests dropping nukes on various things
If the United States drops a nuke, the world needs to unite against us.
The world should do that now.
They kinda already are, looking at Gaza vote in UN.
The West for the most part isn’t. Relations between Europe and America have gotten more antagonistic, but for the most part the former is toeing the latter’s party line.
I’ve recently seen a pic with election results in Germany, and it’s spectacular - one block leading in former FRG, another block leading in former GDR (AfD), and it’s very clean.
If you think about it, “Europe” has lots of political stability. No democratic uncertainty whatsoever. AfD pretends to be that, but really after that map I can’t think so.
And the elites are fine with the way US is choosing. They’ll just be the next on it, tinker a bit with the new stuff for their own convenience, soften some sharp bits.
It’s rather that the rest of the world should unite against the west until it’s too late. Pakistan and DPRK should share their nuclear toys so that everyone had a nuke.
The coalition of anti-western states, mostly totalitarian and not very nice, would in some bits work like Curtis Yarvin’s (I know it’s mostly wrong people dreaming of it) idea of paradise - the right of exit (changing a country among them) would de-facto exist, and every such state having nuclear deterrence would mean that those more attractive for immigrants won’t be pressured to stop, which will mean slow evolutionary change for more liberty.
I personally think that (at some point) open immigration is what made the USA more democratic (except racism). Getting more and more different people of non-elite background willing to build a new life is a powerful source of constant hardly predictable change.
It’s sad that I can’t explain these ideas to people closest to me in their worldview, they are just a bit too conserved in their understanding, and for them I’m picking cannibals over “imperfect civilization” for some abstract benefit. But how is that different from “white man’s burden”, I’m not sure, except “white man’s burden” implied some responsibility for what you’re doing, and Kipling was kinda sad the British empire didn’t find that responsibility in itself. I think it’s the same or worse and the more cynical people understood this earlier.
Dude what are you on about? The previous German government collapsed.
That map you are talking about only represents which party was the strongest in that particular area. It does not specify by how much. In total 5 parties (ignoring that one Nordic minority party seat) made it into the federal parliament and two more parties came close to it.
This is the current federal seat distribution. Note that in Germany constitutional changes require a 2/3 majority. The far right CDU/CSU is extremely hostile to the Left party but so far does not want to embrace working directly with the AfD Fascists although they have done so “accidentally, wink wink” in the past.
Germany is not politically stable. The current government is running around largely headless, on most points directly opposing what they had said just before the election which was solely aimed at blowing everything up politically speaking. There is no long term strategy except for more racist and authoritarianism and a respectful and peaceful transition of power becomes less and less likely while Trumpist tactics are embraced.
The minister of the interior has announced to defy the courts to continue illegal deportations of asylum seekers, claiming that a recent court ruling would only apply in the specific case, despite that evidently not being the case.
“Stable” doesn’t mean “good”.
The right has been talking about nuking the Middle East for decades. They now have “one of theirs” (a “common man” who believes in the things the common MAGA believes), who is just stupid enough to actually do it. I’m taking things day by day.
Nothing like nuking a part of the world you don’t know shit about. They probably think it’s a piece of desert with Disney characters (mostly centered around the capital of Agrabah and capable of hiding) and evil terrorists hurting our good Israel.
Beyond parody (for nearly a decade at this point).
Thanks, I hadn’t seen that. To be fair if they really have this itch to bomb a city, let it be Agrabah.
That magical energy they are developing can’t be only for peaceful uses. They must be stopped! We should oust the current government and help Mr. Jafar be Sultan, I hear he’s a very modern and business-friendly guy.
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US reportedly also forgets the arithmetic of AD and MD efficiency, and the fact that there are countries capable of nuking it in response, and in case it uses a nuke against Iran those will multiply like mushrooms after a rain.
What do those acronyms mean
Air defense, missile defense
If they use a nuke on Iran then Russia will start popping a bunch of them on Ukraine. Maybe that’s Putin’s plan all along, get Trump to drop a nuke so it becomes a free for all.
Anyways, hope you know where your nuclear shelter is and you like canned food and iodine tablets.
I live in Russia, in Moscow, in a kinda golden (in Stalin’s time) place, so the shelter is right under me, its ventilation shaft exit is near the playground.
The problem is - nobody knows how the hell do you get in.
I do like canned food. I even had a small stockpile in 2022 when I thought things had gotten real and it’s time to prepare. Have eaten through it.
If it becomes a free for all, though, hiding from the physical effects will be easier than hiding from the social ones.
You should start taking notes where D6 is and how to enter, so you can take out the Dark Ones when they appear twenty years down the line.
I even know of one possible entrance, but the building above it I hate with passion, I’d need a flamethrower.
Sorry the be pedantic, but why not link the original source?
Since it’s their inside sources.
Especially, because the original article states „Trump is not considering using a tactical nuclear weapon on Fordow and the possibility was not presented by defense secretary Pete Hegseth and the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff Gen Dan Caine in meetings in the White House situation room, two people familiar with the matter said.“ while the linked article here implies that this option is considered.
Exactly. Hence the importance of linking the original source…
Did you even read the article you linked? The fuckin “source” you got your panties in a bunch over arent even cited beyond, “according to people familiar with the deliberations.” They dont even say its their own source in their own article you dolt.
To expand on Shrubbery, you can read the Guardian’s editorial standards and the base ones they follow: https://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2011/08/08/EditorialGuidelinesAug2011.pdf
according to people familiar with the…
In journalism, this is common lingo for “our journalists personally communicated with sources (more that one) that wish to remain anonymous.” It’s the guardian’s legwork and integrity for shielding anon sources here, not them copying it from some other site (which they’d link if they did).
“according to people familiar with the deliberations.”
Afaik that is synonymous/how journalist say “inside source”.
Nuking them to prevent them getting nukes? Why do you think they want them in the first place? Now they will want them even harder. Should try to bribe their way into getting access to US nukes, just need a white supremacist asshole techbro to do the talking and they’ll give you whatever you want.
Unleashing megagodzilla just to stop godzilla. So smart you couldnt believe it. Very rational and very cool
Over the series’ history, the films have reflected the social and political climate in Japan. In the original film, Godzilla was an allegory for the effects of nuclear weapons, and the consequences that such weapons might have on Earth
That oompa lumpa of ours just wants to drop a nuke. I vote we not and tell him we did. Also all of his press conferences and appearances henceforth will be accompanied by a 90’s sitcom style laugh track.
We could just show him videos of nuclear tests and he would probably fall for it. Fucking idiot.
Jokes and laugh tracks are how humans normalize things, if anything it needs to begin with ’attention bajoran workers’ and some eerie music.
Indeed, on Tuesday Trump said, “I don’t care” that the U.S. intelligence community has assessed that Iran isn’t building a nuclear weapon, according to his own top intelligence official.
