Given how this administration can’t cover shit up to save their own asses, and given Trump’s very negative perception by the public right now, if there was major evidence of widespread fraud someone would have come forward with it by now. Whether for the fame, the money, the book tours, or the warm fuzzy feeling of watching Trump’s lackies go to prison. This was true when swiss-cheese-for-brains made his claims of election fraud in 2020, and it’s still true now.
If Kamala never conceded we would have something.
Regretfully, Kamala could have had 99.9999% of the votes … but if she concedes the race to Trump he wins. There may be laws or legislation to punish or impeach Trump and the Republicans, and the government (led by Trump and the Republicans) could choose to pursue them … I somehow doubt they will.
Listen if it’s true, but the democrats are not willing to fight the results, then i don’t care. At that point the cheated election becomes legitimate. And Democratic leaders are on their non intervention kick, probably either because they are complicit, or want to really rub it in to the disenfranchised voters that It voters the blue no matter who, or else it gets the tyrant again.
There isn’t a mechanism to recall the president over votes, and technically we didn’t vote for anyone. The electoral college did that.
So for better or worse we are stuck with the current situation until their terms are up and are forced from office, or more direct action is taken.
What I hope happens is that steps are taken to prevent that in the future. As it benefits the party in power, it likely won’t be fixed anytime soon.
Can’t you guys do people power? Like what the Philippines did to oust the last dictator?
Sort of, but that requires our congress to get involved. Which currently mostly have a vested interest in not changing anything.
And were probably complicit in being installed by this regime. They will do nothing and allow this to continue because if they keep pulling this off, they can never be voted out.
Edit fuck you autocorrect, were is a word.
How are we still in denial? Do we not see what our countrymen have become?
The Republicans cheated blatantly
Ignoring everything they probably did to voting machines that is currently being discussed in courts, we know for a fact that hundreds of democratic voting centers were called with bomb threats.
Current voting fraud court case https://www.newsweek.com/2024-election-lawsuit-advances-2083391
Report of known election interference from 2024 https://www.cip.uw.edu/2024/11/05/election-day-bomb-threats-tabulator-irregularities/
That alone probably fucked with tens to hundreds of thousands of votes.
ITT: ChatGPT tells us only Republicans are allowed to question the legitimacy of elections
Everyone’s allowed to question the legitimacy. After 60 completed cases or so, let’s reconvene.
that makes it even more enjoyable.
Some academic researchers told Kamala ahead of time and she ignored it and did no investigations after. This alone says a lot.
Too busy blaming the leftists for not liking genocide
Enough of that. Let’s get back to the real business… Fundraising!
Reads like conspiracy nonsense. Bring receipts.
I’m with you man. I mean something weird is up with Rockland County for sure, there is some fraud happening. And not saying that this method is not plausible but it’s a theory at best and yeah article reads like some pepe sylvia conspiracy. We need legit cybersecurity specialist to do some forensics on the Rockland machines before we can get a root cause and analyze potential impact.
Yeah, there could well be some shenanigans, but as you say we need actual experts doing actual analysis. Spreading wild conspiracy theories does nothing to help anyone.
Did you read the article? Relevant section below:
“Let’s be clear, Palantir wasn’t brought in for customer service. It was brought in to do what it does best: manage, shape, and secure vast streams of data—quietly. According to Eaton’s own release, Palantir’s role would include: AI-driven oversight of connected infrastructures Automated analysis of large datasets And—most critically—“secure erasure of digital footprints”
The Digital Janitor:also known as forensic sanitization, it was now being embedded into Eaton-managed hardware connected directly to voting systems. Palantir didn’t change the votes. It helped ensure you’d never prove it if someone else did.”
Right, do you see how this reads like conspiracy nonsense.
We make a claim, claim inherently says there’s no way to prove it, so just trust us.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
The article fails to explain how the UPS was connected to the server, or if they were at all. Most use USB and there is no indication that even if some elaborate thing to connect to a battery backup over starlink was used, you still have to break out of the HID in Windows, gain kernel level access, then modify machines, some of which are airgapped, and the databases in a way that not only hides external reporting as they alleged with Palantir, but also removes any records of the database transactions being modified. Maybe you could have a USBHID zero day that lets the battery backup escape mitigations built in like Data Execution Prevention in Windows, then you have a second zero day that lets you modify SQLite where the tabulations were kept, and somehow all of this was coordinated remotely. Who knows, maybe the battery backups have a network connection on them meant to prevent electrical surges, and can operate as a man in the middle for any network traffic passing to the internet or other local servers. Even better, they were able to connect to a Tripp Lite device over StarLink, which acted as a man in the middle attack while protecting the network connection from a power surge, and then this was used to interface with the Intel Management Engine or another BIOS level attack, and they got in that way.
So many options, and people can speculate all day. Proof is necessary and the voting machines and Tripp Lite devices are all still available to be audited. It’s important to remember that there are powerful forces inside the U.S. and other countries that want to move people away from Democracy and voting. The best way to do this is to have a repeat of the election denial from the right to now be on the left. If that becomes standard behavior then it’s game over for Democracy in the U.S.
Ahh, I see an even shorter quote is required to assist in reading comprehension.
“ According to Eaton’s own release, Palantir’s role would include… most critically—“secure erasure of digital footprints””
Again, and I cannot stress this enough, that is from their own press release.
So you say “where are the receipts?”. And their press release explicitly says “we are bringing in this company to erase receipts”. To which you respond “where are the receipts”.
To echo your statement, do you see how this might appear as willful misunderstanding to an outside observer?
Are you referring to the press release linked in the article, because it doesn’t actually say those things.
Focussing further is just about the worst thing you can do - “secure erasure of digital footprints” is there a definition of what this is anywhere? Is there anything that suggests they were doing that on voting machines? Companies absolutely have a requirement to remove customer data on request in many jurisdictions - that would absolutely be covered by that statement. You’re take a very narrow statement (which, again, doesn’t appear to be in the linked press release) and blowing it up to meet the definition you want it to.
Capability of doing something isn’t proof of doing something.
I’m on team “something’s fucky” but it’s still not proof.
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In referring to my above comments, you’ll note I never said they did do something, only that IF they did do it, they had the capabilities in place to do so without leaving a trace.
My issue is only with the top commenters phrase “bring receipts”.
The article author address this pretty thoroughly in why that’s not possible, referencing publicly available information.
The top commenter seemed to deliberately disregard that point
Seriously. I’ve had discussions with people since the election about how they say it was stolen. Until there’s hard receipts, then it’s not even worth the time considering it to me.
At the very least they intentionally weaponized voting laws to get people kicked off the voting pool resulting it likely uncounted ballots.
How do you propose getting those “receipts”?
If you believe some guy with a blog making claims of what would be bombshell news maybe he should provide it.
That would be awesome. But no. There are two ways to get the evidence here. Court orders and an investigation by not the FBI or hacking and hardcore investigative journalism. Hacking Eaton is by far the lowest hanging fruit so there’s the real takeaway
That sounds like a lot of trouble.
I’m not American so for me it doesn’t make a difference if there’s a fascist or a fascist-lite in charge.
Whoever is in charge their foreign policy never changes.
Actually I like the current one better with all the dammage he does to the US. It is a win for the world pragmatically.
We don’t, that’s not our job. You don’t just believe everything because it’s hard to prove the opposite.
Use your words. I’ve no time to follow a random YouTube link with absolutely no preamble or information.
That would be a 3s clip of freeza asking goku if he’s real in dbza
I mean that’s the issue, that’s also why this case that’s going on is so huge. There’s so many statistical anomalies that it’s nearly impossible that he won every battleground state…but there’s been no smoking gun. There’s never been solid enough evidence to warrant a court case. Hopefully we get the ‘hard receipts’ your looking for in this court case
Also, it’s kinda fucking hard to get the receipts when a bunch of election officials were very possibly in on it. And the secretaries of state for said swing states might not be doing everything on the up-and-up (see: literally everything about how Brian Kemp - the current Governor of Georgia - orchestrated his own election).
Also can we talk about how data even comes to be? Who tf is paying for all these “hard receipts”? Who’s doing the work, who’s analyzing it, who has the access to everything needed to even do the work? The information is obviously being obfuscated and destroyed, like people asking for “hard receipts” think US fascism actually keeps their receipts when no fascist government has ever allowed contradictory information to spread or even exist? People seem to both love data and refuse to accept it’s so easily hidden, destroyed and changed in such an opaque environment. The only time “hard receipts” ever exist is in a completely transparent and forthcoming environment. Honestly most of what we all believe has no “hard receipts” they’re just accepted because it looks and feels right and we have some “soft receipts” to prove to others our feelings are more feelings than theirs
Control over media is a tenant of fascism
The US regime has had control over any media of importance for decades.
The statistical anomalies are made up. They sound excellent plausible, but turn go and verify any of the actual numbers. Swing states really weren’t any different from other states. They’re not real discrepancies.
You act like it’s easy. Republican states shred their data before turning it over (like what happened in Georgia a few years back over one of the state races. It’s a cyclical issue. You can’t look at the data if you don’t have the evidence to warrant looking at it, and you can’t get the evidence if you can’t look at the data.
But no…the anomalies aren’t made up. You just haven’t been paying attention to what’s been going on with it, and that’s okay, it’s a lot to keep up with.
Or it’s a conspiracy theory meant to distract us. I haven’t seen anything credible.
I especially don’t want to call wolf now when it may very well happen soon.
And even then, I’m not sure what it would accomplish. You’re not going to undo Trump’s inauguration. At best, it could protect the integrity of the next election, but now there are other options available to undermine it.
Meanwhile, elections since then have swung hard against Trump supporters, including one in Wisconsin where Elon dumped a small fortune and made a personal appearance. If they’re so good at rigging machines, why aren’t they continuing to use this ability?
I’m skeptical of this claim of election fuckery but, if it was true, you’d want to limit the use as to not get caught.
Here ya go.
https://sdvoice.info/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won-here-are-the-numbers/
https://electiontruthalliance.org/eta
First and last links are the data. The middle links are for us stupid people that need to be told how to read the data in the last link
Clicked on the last link
It’s selling merch.
Using his own ‘eforensics’ methodology,
I’m out.
The first link is about voter suppression, nothing to do with the conspiracy.
Yes. That link is worthy of separate consideration, but has nothing to do with voting machines.
This is BlueAnon shit.
No, its fucking facts just like in 2000 they stole election then too. They rigged the election. This isn’t the only article you can find on this. They have clear evidence unlike Trump claims.
I was looking for that evidence, but all the report has are indications. Proof would mean there’s messages that outline this plan, documents, audio recordings, the software backdoor used to kill the ballots anything like that.
I’m not saying it’s a bad article, they provide good reasoning and the data looks really odd. Just until here it’s a theory.
This article might not show it, but the one I read had the receipts. The lawsuit shows that in a district where the Democratic Senator got all the votes but Harris got zero. That isn’t normal and not how it works. The machines were rigged. Especially when they have voters in that sane district swearing they voted for her as well as that Senator.
Thank you for the reply (and for engaging in meaningful conversation, which is a rarety on the internet). Could you share a link to that article? Not bc I doubt your word, I’m just genuinely curious
Here one, not the exact one I read before but close. https://medium.com/the-political-prism/a-new-lawsuit-points-to-2024-election-interference-df03f3217872
Cheers, really appreciate it
I will see if I can find it, was a week ago.
What should we do about the next elections?
- Don’t run a senile old man
- Hold a proper primary so that a popular person gets the nomination instead of someone like Kamala Harris
- Promise material changes that will improve peoples’ lives and don’t say “we aren’t going to do anything different, but the other guy is a fascist so you have to vote for us”
The topic is the ways that bad actors can mechanically interfere with the election regardless of the actual vote, so none of that applies.
So get nothing done. Like Obama. Spend 8 years fighting for a single thing only for said thing to be stripped down and completely lose its whole meaning.
Amen!
Data that makes no statistical sense. A clean sweep in all seven swing states. The fall of the Blue Wall. Eighty-eight counties flipped red—not one flipped blue.
“When the hurricane blew through, every single window of my house was broken. Surely you’d think at least one would survive through sheer chance. I refuse to believe my windows could’ve been that breakable, so this is evidence that my house was sabotaged.”
Donald Trump outperformed expectations in down-ballot races with margins never before seen—while Kamala Harris simultaneously underperformed in those exact same areas.
It couldn’t possibly be that lots of low-information voters who don’t give a shit about the rest of the ballot didn’t like Kamala and decided to take another flyer on Trump because he was at least promising to shake things up and take action, obviously it’s a conspiracy. We made it very clear that the economy was fine, and that if you were feeling financially stressed, no you weren’t.
If one were to accept these results at face value—Donald Trump, a 34-count convicted felon, supposedly outperformed Ronald Reagan.
And this is obviously impossible because the author doesn’t feel like it could happen. Surely the United States would never elect a bad person, that’s not like us at all.
Look, the results were pretty uniform across all 50 states, across all 50 completely isolated and different voting systems. The country took a big swing to the right, in swing states and uncompetitive ones, in states with paper ballots and electronic ones. We told the right this same stuff in 2020, it was true then, and it’s true now. Rigging so many elections on the scale it would take to swing the overall results requires an insanely huge conspiracy with no leaks and no mistakes and perfect accounting for the massive number of public statistics and results surrounding elections. If it happened, we’d have more than a handful of conspiracy theorists saying “but these numbers look funny” and until that happens, pay this whole thing no mind.
It’s very very very, bordering on impossible, for people to accept that Trump won.
It is a massive indictment of the apathy of the average American.
Seems technically plausible, I’d like a group to try to simulate such an attack with the hardware pieces involved, implementing this in a proof-of-concept… let’s see the Rockland hand recount as well and compare against official results. Until then it still sounds like a cuckooo conspiracy to me.
Things being where they are, and with how many MAGA supporters showed their true colours from brainwashing, at this point I would rather take the opportunity for the US to associate MAGA Republicanism with this dark time on the brink of fascism, than coast into mediocrity. It’s a huge risk, but with the number of people united, coming together this weekend tells me there’s a chance the people of America could come out stronger than their tyrannical President, spineless Congress and Supreme Court.
Easier than what I had imagined. A half measure wolnt work when palantir had years to plan. A swing state needs to do a full recount. And it can’t be just any swing state. You see America is the particular kind of stupid that would purchase un-auditable, fully digital machines.
Unforgiveable.
Ok, here’s the deal. If you want to make a case for this, that’s fine. HOWEVER (and it’s a big ‘however’) we can’t just sound like the same people who cried foul over Trump’s lost election. We have to provide verifiable and independently verified proof.
In the primary article, we’re lacking evidence that Tripp Lite UPS devices actually manipulated votes. There’s no documentation of vote manipulation occurring at all, no verified communications proving coordination between the named parties, and the statistical anomalies are described but not rigorously analyzed or peer-reviewed.
The article builds an elaborate theory by connecting real business relationships and technological capabilities, but it doesn’t provide evidence that these connections were actually used for election manipulation. It assumes malicious intent based on proximity and capability rather than proving actual wrongdoing.
The Common Coalition Report has many of the same flaws, chief among them being a lack of peer-reviewed evidence. Claims about man-in-the-middle attacks are technically possible, but unproven, and the connection between corporate partnerships and vote manipulation is purely speculative.
If you want to present this as the truth, then we need transparent statistical methodology, which means we don’t cherry-pick data, and we can’t mix legitimate concerns with unsubstantiated technical claims. While this report contains some legitimate concerns about voter suppression and references some real statistical analysis, the core claims about systematic vote manipulation through satellite networks and corporate conspiracies remain largely unsubstantiated. The evidence presented is primarily circumstantial, and extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof that simply isn’t provided here.
The document appears designed more to persuade than to present rigorous evidence, using emotional appeals and political rhetoric alongside data points. That isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but it isn’t something we should be presenting to the general public as fact, lest we look like conspiracy theorists. Verify the facts, then present the evidence—all else is folly.
You are the one here denouncing the credibility of these claims.
You and the bots…
“Everyone who doesn’t agree with me is a bot.”
The ones pushing propaganda are functionally indistinguishable from bots yes
By all means, keep accepting everything you read at face value. You’ll be a fucking Republican in no time.
We’re at war, sorry you don’t like how propaganda can be used against fascists.
Sorry you support talking points that forward the interests of fascists.
It’s really unfortunate you let yourself be controlled by Republicans like this.
Stupid? Social media has already been used for manipulation. Apart from that, Trump always accuses his opponents of doing what he himself ultimately does… Yes, all the accusations of manipulation from the last lost election were already targeted manipulation, and by a criminal… It was precisely with these accusations that he managed to keep the Democrats quiet and he was able to create even more of a mood with his fascist behavior.
Besides this all the lie’s etc 24/7…
Oh yes, the arbitrary closing of polling stations and the premature ending of the vote count. The ignoring of so many declared votes…
But the evidence has to be ironclad to be actionable or else we’re no better then them.
Context: I worked in IAM (computer security) at a past job.
In computer security, we don’t wait to get proof that a vulnerability was exploited. We have to operate under the assumption that any vulnerability was immediately exploited, and take immediate action to fix it and limit the impact. Doubly so when the stakes are high.
We need popular support to get real security experts to investigate these claims. If there was even a single path that could have led to a vulnerability of this scale, we need to completely secure these systems and do an immediate recount/re-vote.
I’ll also say, I was surprised to learn that these voting systems and their specs are not fully public and open source. That alone makes me very uncomfortable. Security through obscurity is not security at all.
That may be true. However, there were no accusations of vote rigging from either politicians or the public. Nor was this investigated… The election was not even checked for manipulation even though there were so many indications of it. Up to that point, however, there had been more than enough that would have more than justified investigations, but absolutely nothing was done.
However. Not counting and ignoring countless legal ballot papers and arbitrarily ending postal voting early etc. is actually proof enough of election manipulation. Since this itself is a means of manipulating the election results and this was even made public without opposition.
