He did not carry out raids the likes of which we’ve seen in the past six months and he did not sanction them, which is what the comments about the meme are suggesting.
My point, then, is that there can be “3.1 million ‘deported’” based on a very loose definition of a practical daily event at the border
Again, your characterization of these deportations all being people showing up at the border without papers is unsubstantiated. Nothing about expedited removal requires a person be present at the border. I could be mistaken about this, but a “removal” implies that a person is not at a border crossing. Indeed, in the MPI report, the tables listing deportation numbers have separate columns for border apprehensions and removals, and the removal column for Obama is at around 3M.
A few points: Obama had fewer border apprehensions and removals than both Bush and Clinton. This could be the case for any number of reasons, one of which could be lighter enforcement. But it is the case that the Obama administration bragged about its hawkishness on the border. My understanding is he did so in a failed attempt to appease the GOP and get DACA put into legislation. But regardless of all of this, it seems ICE under Obama did remove around 3 million people, not at the border.
Again, your characterization of these deportations all being people showing up at the border without papers is unsubstantiated.
So from the link I posted at the top of this chain, it says:
As part of the current fiscal year that began in October, there were 309,114 migrant encounters that month, 308,669 in November and 371,036 in December. In December, about 300,000 migrants—nearly 10,000 per day—came into the U.S. through Mexico, including about 250,000 between ports of entry, according to Customs and Border Protection (CBP) data. Federal border agents encountered about 2.5 million migrants in total last year, surpassing the previous record high from the year before.
That’s Oct and Nov 2023. But for the sake of discussion, let’s say it was similar enough during Obama’s terms.
300k/mo. * 10mo = 3,000,000 people. We agree there?
If so, that’s substantiated claim that 3,600,000 people came through the border in a year. Not all were refused entry, of course, but the numbers are there.
Comprehensive figures are available through October. So to keep things as simple as possible, we’ll present numbers for February 2021, the month after Biden took office, through October, unless otherwise noted.
The DHS data show 6.5 million encounters at the U.S.-Mexico border in that time frame, a figure that includes both the 5.8 million apprehensions between legal ports of entry – the number typically used for illegal immigration – and a little more than 700,000 migrants who arrived at ports of entry without authorization to enter the U.S.
Of those 6.5 million encounters by CBP, 2.5 million people have been released into the U.S. with notices to appear in immigration court or report to Immigration and Customs Enforcement in the future, or other classifications, such as parole.
There are certainly others who have crossed the border by evading the authorities. DHS estimated there were 660,000 “gotaways,” or unlawful entries, in fiscal 2021. The agency would not provide an updated estimate. However, a DHS spokesperson told us: “Under this Administration, the estimated annual apprehension rate has averaged 78%, identical to the rate of the prior Administration.” That rate would support a gotaway figure of 1.6 million from February 2021 through October.
So I think it’s very reasonable to infer the “millions” that were “deported” by Obama and Biden were largely done so at border entry points. Millions were apparently allowed entry with notices to appear at court. None of which are the implied gestapo tactics and zero of which was the rhetoric of this horrible ‘administration’.
And that’s what I object to. It’s easy and stupid to pretend trump is carrying on what Obama and Biden have done w/r/t immigration. And it all feeds into this mentality that Democrats are just as bad, and that’s Bullshit.
Obama absolutely did carry out and sanction deportation raids. To be clear, I’m not claiming he was as aggressive as Trump is being now. The image itself is an attempt to point out that Obama did so in a more orderly fashion.
Again, your characterization of these deportations all being people showing up at the border without papers is unsubstantiated. Nothing about expedited removal requires a person be present at the border. I could be mistaken about this, but a “removal” implies that a person is not at a border crossing. Indeed, in the MPI report, the tables listing deportation numbers have separate columns for border apprehensions and removals, and the removal column for Obama is at around 3M.
A few points: Obama had fewer border apprehensions and removals than both Bush and Clinton. This could be the case for any number of reasons, one of which could be lighter enforcement. But it is the case that the Obama administration bragged about its hawkishness on the border. My understanding is he did so in a failed attempt to appease the GOP and get DACA put into legislation. But regardless of all of this, it seems ICE under Obama did remove around 3 million people, not at the border.
So from the link I posted at the top of this chain, it says:
That’s Oct and Nov 2023. But for the sake of discussion, let’s say it was similar enough during Obama’s terms.
300k/mo. * 10mo = 3,000,000 people. We agree there?
If so, that’s substantiated claim that 3,600,000 people came through the border in a year. Not all were refused entry, of course, but the numbers are there.
This link says
So I think it’s very reasonable to infer the “millions” that were “deported” by Obama and Biden were largely done so at border entry points. Millions were apparently allowed entry with notices to appear at court. None of which are the implied gestapo tactics and zero of which was the rhetoric of this horrible ‘administration’.
And that’s what I object to. It’s easy and stupid to pretend trump is carrying on what Obama and Biden have done w/r/t immigration. And it all feeds into this mentality that Democrats are just as bad, and that’s Bullshit.