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    Fuck these fucking things! Why do people tend to choose the most insane option when they are given a choice!?

    Ghetto-Takeaway-Bidet
    Punch a tiny hole in the neck of an empty 0,33ml PET plastic bottle. You can use a drill, a needle or a corkscrew. Fill it with water and squeeze it to spray your ass, vulva, whatever clean.

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      Not sure about that. They would probably start paying for cleaning offsets or something and claim that it’s the same as actually cleaning up their trash, so they don’t need to do anything.

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      It actually use to be mandatory in Spain since the dictatorship and until 20 years ago or so.

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        Nailed it. Real Decreto 314/2006

        Luckily I live in a house from when Spain was an Absolute Monarchy with bidet in every bathroom.

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      11 hours ago

      it’s absolutely wild that the US still allows this… it’s 1 of the first things my friends all comment on when travelling there (australia)

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        I haven’t seen can six packs in the wild in Germany for ages, the few cans that are for sale come in trays of 24. Results do show pictures of “wrap everything in plastic” (Coca-Cola) as well as cardboard solutions like the Spanish one, the first hit that’s a commercial supply looks just like carton six-pack packaging for bottles.

        Thing is cans are kind of iffy in Germany because of the 25ct deposit, it’s not so much the deposit that’s the issue (the same goes for very popular PET bottles) but that cans crinkle and once they do they might be right-out impossible to scan and get your money back. Also PET is fine for about everything but beer, and for beer there’s glass bottles. If you ever see beer in PET in Germany give it a wide berth it tastes as good as its price-point indicates. You’re better off with wine or sangria in a tetra pack.

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        Yes, but it’s actually not that great for the enviornment since in Spain normally the plastic foil and aluminium layer is not separated for recycling. The only part that gets recycled is the external cardboard layer.

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        I’ve seen cardboard in America too! Sometimes you’ll also see reusable clip-on plastic tops that some smaller stores will actually let you return so they can re-use them, or send them back on their next shipment, although that’s much less common.

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      I’ve always wondered this, but how do you prevent a bidet from festering? When dedicating, micro poop particles get everywhere in the bowl, and therefore my conclusion would be that it would get on the bidet spout. Over time, since it’s moist, wouldn’t a very thin microbial biofilm form on the spout? Then you’d be blasting in potentially dangerous bacteria back into yourself. Do you have to clean it after every use? Every day?

      The only way I could see it maybe keeping clean would be if it was behind a small door that opened when it’ll be in use and then retracted once more.

      So far the most hygienic option would be wet wipes.

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        Yes, they have little doors and always retract back up after use. They also do an automatic bleed before and after each use to wash them off. There is also a manual bleed and clean option so the wand can be cleaned by hand (though they stay remarkably clean. The wonders of Japanese engineering).

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        Mine not only has such a door, but can self-wash with hot water and then disinfect and deodorise itself. It also has a hot air dryer. Using it right now!

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          This reminded me to hit my bidet button and stop browsing. Enjoying the ass blast as I type this.

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            The Toto bidets have these features for about $335, iirc. You can usually find them at Costco. Amazon sometimes has them too.

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            Every bidet Ive seen has some kind of cleaning feature, whether self clean or just a button that makes it pop out so you can spray it with sanitizer.

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        Also one other thing that’s never been answered for me: where is the soap dispenser located? Are people seriously just washing their ass with nothing but water and calling it clean? What’s next? Washing your hands without soap?

        Honestly I rather just use the shower head to rinse off after a shit, cause the body wash is already right there. Plus I can adjust the temperature so I’m not blasting freezing cold water directly onto my asshole.

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          Most people only use toilet paper, which is way worse. Bidets get you almost as clean as a shower, but I expect everyone is washing their ass with soap and water at least once per day in the shower.

          Bidets these days have heated, oscillating water and blow dryers with hot air.

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          You’re taking a shower after every shit? Do you even do this when visiting someone else’s house? People use bidets in-place of toilet paper or other wipes, not a shower with soap.

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            Not a shower, just washing my ass. Also I try to avoid pooping in public whenever possible. I guess not everyone does, but if it happens, it happens. Not the end of the world.

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        Your “the only way” argument is literally how they are all sold. Maybe do even the lightest bit of research before declaring you have no option but to continue doing the worst thing possible?

        “We’ve done nothing and we’re all out of ideas!”

        Edit: Reading this back I was kind of mean. Obviously you’re entitled to your own preferences, but bidets have solved most of those problems already and are definitely worth checking out.

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          Every time I’ve seen these bidet threads, everyone talks about conversion kits (which don’t have the door) or ultra fancy toilets (which I can’t buy and use in an apartment).

          And the only ones I’ve seen with a door we’re the ultra fancy toilets, though didn’t know they could self wash too.

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            I use a Toto Washlet C2. I live in an old apartment that only has the classic “round” styled seats (to save space), and this works with that.

            Couldn’t recommend it more. Has a self wash, but I still wash it every couple of months by hand.

            No dirtier than a normal toilet, and the premist functionality reduces stickage and the amount I need to clean.

            No need to get an ultra fancy toilet, and this model (the c2) has all the fancy features at a relatively low price (no detachable remote, no profiles, no instant water heater) (I don’t think any of those are worth the extra cost).

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              Really nice, will look for a EU compatible model more that I have a launching point. Never came across one that was built in like that!

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                All the Japanese ones are like this - referred to as “Washlets” in Toto’s case. Iirc the bidet terminology can be problematic in the EU as bidets are technically what they use in Italy.

                Good luck finding one, but Toto definitely sells them there, too! See here for more info.

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          I’ll preface my comment with the fact that I never saw a bidet until I was in my 30s, so I was never properly “bidet trained”, but I can tell you that at a glance the prospect of having a damp ass after every shit does not appeal to me. Particularly in humid regions where damp bodily areas leads chafing and rashes. It also looks like a lot more effort than just wiping and moving on with minimal difference in results.

          That said, if you prefer bidets and have access to them, more power to you.

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            Your average bidet will usually have a built-in dryer if you buy name brands. Heated water, heated dryer. It saves a remarkable amount of money on TP too. It actually paid itself off after about four years of shitting. And your ass is incredibly clean afterwards, which is a blessing in hot and humid summers for reasons I won’t elaborate on prior to getting a bidet, lol.

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              Toilet paper comes apart when it gets sopping wet, dumbass.

              (I assume you prefer communicating in a derogatory style, so I’ll just mimick yours.)

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              After a shower you dry off with a towel, obviously.

              Do you dry your ass with a towel after using a bidet? An ass towel? Because that’s disgusting.

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                So wait, do you not dry your ass after a shower? Or are you saying that you use something other than a towel to do so? Am I speaking to someone who’s never touched their ass with a towel? Do you just stand around in the nude while waiting for your ass to air dry?

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                How is leaving your ass crusted in poo less disgusting than wiping your ass after cleaning it with water? Do you not wipe your ass after a shower? If you do, that’s just another ass towel that you also use to wipe your whole body. If you don’t, that means you don’t actually care about having swampy ass in the first place.

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                  What I gather from this thread is that some people have an ass towel in their bathroom, and I should be drying my hands on my shirt/pants if I use a bathroom with a bidet.

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              How does having bits of toilet paper stuck to my ass improve the situation?

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                  TP is supposed to dissolve in water, that’s why we can flush it.

                  But if you’re washing with a bidet, how do you know you’re clean if you’re just spraying your shit with water then just patting it with TP? Do you wash it with your hands when spraying water?

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                So… no bidet, no toilet paper, how do you usually wipe your arse, entire hand, seashells?

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                  Toilet paper doesn’t stick when it’s not wet. It falls apart when it is wet.

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            This is exactly it.

            I used a bidet in Europe in my thirties, and then my ass was all wet. I could dry it with toilet paper and leave bits of toilet paper in my ass hair, or I could dry it with a dedicated ass towel, which is clearly less sanitary than just wiping.

            It’s wet and uncomfortable, and it’s not any better than just wiping. Running a bit of water over something doesn’t really clean it anyway.

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              Why are you wiping your wet ass with toilet paper the same way you wipe your poop encrusted ass? Its already clean. Just dab your ass with toilet paper and you won’t leave bits of toilet paper in them.

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                The “poop encrusted ass” remark suggests you don’t actually know how toilet paper works or how to use it.

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                  So, if you have poop on your hands, would you eat with that hand after only using toilet paper to wipe it off?

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            It’s honestly shamefull to see people downvoting and calling you dumbass for raising questions and concerns about bidets. I’m not bidet trained either, and I don’t really have a strong opinion on them, but these responses almost make me want to take a stance against bidets.

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              I don’t really care about my “social credit score”. It’s an honest question and I’ve learned a couple things about bidets so far. The overwhelming conclusion, however, is that a lot of proud bidet users are kind of elitist assholes (heh, puns), and would rather admonish condescendingly than care to explain. Goes to show you really need a parent or a family member to properly teach you these things. If no one in your family has ever used a bidet, then I guess you’re shit out of luck (heh).

              Either that or the guy saying they’re overrated was on to something and everyone’s getting defensive and pissy (heh) about it. If your method was truly better, you could just explain it without resorting to shame tactics. Could be something they’re embarrassed about?

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              “a bunch of people told an ignorant person they were wrong and that offended me because I’m also ignorant and that makes me upset.”

              Bro grow up and wash your asshole. If you stepped in shit barefoot would you be cool just wiping it with paper and moving on or would you use water? Bidets should be standard in the USA, absolutely barbaric using the sandpaper corporate America has deemed acceptable.

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                Bro.

                I live in a country where bidets are extremely rare. I honestly only know one single household with a bidet. I have however discussed getting one, but the discussion has pretty much faded out since it isn’t seen as a common need around here.

                I fully agree with the “buttholes are the only thing we are content with wiping with paper to clean away poop”-paradox argument. I have mentioned that a lot in my discussions with my gf about getting one. So maybe I should get one - as I said, my opinion isn’t very strong as I haven’t experienced one, and I haven’t experienced sanitary issues with using paper.

                So with all that said, it’s less tempting to make that purchase when people respond as condescending dickheads when raising concerns or questions about it. You just fully assumed that I lived in a place where bidets are common and told me to grow up and that I am ignorant. The other commenter got called a dumbass for not knowing the bidet procedure when they initially said that they were not bidet trained.

                Being condescending doesn’t really help anyone. It just makes me want to ignore your advice.

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                  I too am from a place bidets are rare, literally don’t know anybody else who has one. But after that first wash I was changed, made a true believer; anybody who talks bad about bidets is shit talking something I love. Try one, join us on the smug and clean side of butthole’s.

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                Bidets should be banned, non sarcastically. People who shoot water into their shitty anus, creating shit water that splashes all over the place, are disgusting and a health hazard. That’s probably why you only see them in third world places like Europe, which historically has been a disgusting place with disgusting people who would literally dump buckets of shit into the streets. You really gonna take hygiene advice from those pigs? LMAO

                Anyways, I’m going to continue to properly clean my ass with toilet paper, like God intended. Hopefully those Europoopeans invest in proper potty training for future generations so they can stop being the laughing stock for the rest of the modern world.

                Downvote if you agree.

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      Depends where you are-

      In many states of Australia installing a Bidet is extremely expensive as they they need to have a full RPZ backflow protection device (bulky and expensive - $600+ for the part) to prevent backflow. (simple and even double check valves aren’t allowed for Bidets as they’re considered ‘high hazard’)

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    Yep. Make it the manufacturers’ problem. They only care when it hits their wallet. Even if they pass on the costs, it’ll make the wipes that actually dissolve properly cheaper and these are exempt.

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      Flushable just means it will fit in the pipe. It doesn’t mean it should be there.

      Cottonelle claims that theirs break down and for a while they would fall apart when using them, so it could be true. Anything that just says flushable, though, is meaningless.

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        I saw one that claimed “plumber approved” and it made me so mad we don’t have meaningful laws against deceptive advertising.

        I’d like really sewer-safe wet wipes. If tried several bidets and did not like them, definitely worse than wipes IMO.

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      Oh. Shoot. I’ve bought those in the past. So they’re lying about being flushable, I suppose.

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        No, they’re definitely flushable. Just like my new product, flushable golf balls! Put them in your toilet, hit the plunger, and watch them disappear down the drain. Totally flushable!

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            How is that insane? I keep a tiny trash can with a step open lid next to the toilet specifically for that. The lid and frequently changing the bags prevent it from stinking, plus it uses way less water.

            Personally I feel like they have all the benefits of bidets and TP, with none of the drawbacks.

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              They have their own singular drawback with being a stain on the environment.

              Seriously, just get a bidet

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                I live in an RV, which has a special toilet designed to use very little water.

                I don’t think it would work even if I could afford to retrofit my bathroom, as water pressure is often an issue when traveling.

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              the drawbacks are that they’re made from cotton and plastics, which are all absolutely horrendous for the environment… cotton is among the worst offenders for water use, and polyester etc is bad in clothes let alone chucking an entire wet wipe multiple times per day

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            I use them for after exercise, so it’s just sweat and dirt. I have been meaning to get a bidet, though.

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              Bidet showers are the best after a long workout, have your gym install one in the gym restroom for everyone to use

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              And FYI for any woman out there, these are better for health, as they don’t blast bacteria from back to front. There was a study about it that I read several years ago, which I kept in mind when choosing a bidet. I went for a handheld one, too, and it’s great.

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        My understanding is that none of them are flushable

        Edit: Yes, you are able to flush them. I didn’t think I needed to clarify that I meant whether flushing them will destroy your plumbing or not

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          My understanding is they are flushable (technically), it’s just not good to flush them because they don’t disintegrate or break down in water like toilet paper does. So it leads to clogs in pipes or sewer filtering equipment.

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            By that logic anything small enough to fit in the pipe is flushable. Sounds like the word “flushable” on packaging needs to be regulated.

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              I remember reading a post from someone who worked for a flushable wipe company. They were getting complaints from the waste treatment plant but the they kept telling them that they are safe to flush and that the waste treatment plant were having issue were non flushable wet wipe baby wipe types. It got to the point where the guy from the wipe company had to go down there and get a lab analysis on them. All of the wipes that were blocking up the plant were wet ones and non flushable baby wipes. The conclusion was people are idiots and don’t read the labels.

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              It is regulated. Flushable means it doesn’t clog household pipes. It doesn’t say anything about the sewers and that’s where the problem is.

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          I wonder because the one I use is made 100% of plant fibers and a couple natural extracts like aloe vera. Is that flushable?

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            Everything is flushable if you’re brave enough and your toilet is big enough. I flush whole garbage bags and small appliances down my powerflush-9,000,000. The local water authority hates me, they have to keep a crew on standby at the end of my driveway to haul my garbage away after unclogging the sewers, but I write “flushable” on each one to taunt them so they know there’s nothing they can do to stop me.

            In all seriousness, we need to stop this anti-social behavior. It’s a problem, the government needs to step in to protect consumers and municipalities and hold manufacturers accountable.

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      I don’t ever remember seeing them here in Sweden. I can’t even remember seeing an ad for wipes at all. The only common “wipes” here are for babies, and even that isn’t something everyone uses.

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      I keep a pack of wet wipes with me every time I travel. I never use them in the toilet, though. Just for cleaning my hands when eating street food.

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    We can do this with wet wipes, but carbon is a bridge too far?

    Easily the weirdest demonstration of the. ‘polluter pays’ principle

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      I doubt that cars and car infrastructure would be allowed today if we weren’t already knee-deep in the shit they cause.

      It’s probably the worst invention ever.

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            A lot of EU regulations will often cause an industry to standardize on their global products following the more strict standard.

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              That’s only true if it’s more profitable. Companies sell plenty of shit to Americans that is banned in other markets. We’re basically a dumping ground for a lot of cheap “has been linked to cancer” products.

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      Nobody has ever explained externalities to them clearly. Instead they just yell at them and call them fascists. So it’s understandable why many of them don’t get that they’re paying for the damage the company places in public spheres.

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    They can make what looks like plastic carrier bags that dissolve in water now so the manufacturers could I suspect make dissolvable wipes but will probably only do it when forced by law.

    I’m aware there are maybe one or two brands that already do this (or claim to at least) but they all need to be doing it.

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    at least they have a backup plan of getting those companies to pay for the cleanup. That might be just slightly less impossible to make happen than people stop flushing them.

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    The hospital I work at had installed some kind of wipe catcher in most of the publicly accessable toilets. All you can see is a metal ring at the opening at the bottom of the toilet with a sign warning not to put your hand in there or you WILL get shredded. Apparently it has sharp bits that will snag wipes if you attempt to flush them.

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      We need to install waffle grates in all toilets and just have a foot press that lets you push your poop in