PTB. You highlighted immoral shit done by one of the two governments that the .ml admin team licks the boots of, then you get banned while they lie that you’re being a bigot (rule 1), since they have the same transparency as a chunk of charcoal and that makes them too dishonest to list “don’t criticise the RF or PCC here” as an actual rule.
I’m shocked!
Shocked you weren’t permabanned from that instance long ago. Maybe admin privilege at work.
But yeah I mean PTB obviously, barely even worth saying since it applies to almost every ban on that instance.
They rarely permanently ban users. Tons of 1-2 week bans, though. More “get in line” than “get out.”
They banned cm0002, and breadsmasher after he commented “and .ml is the tankie instance” in a thread I made.
Well… that’s not all that cm0002 has said about Lemmy.ml - that might just have been the straw that broke the camel’s back, so to speak:-).
e.g. search the Fediverse for the word “tankie” and their post is literally the top one:-). (And many others below that too)
I’ve been banned for a long long time because of a comment i made in a different instance.
Unless you’re part of the .ml in-crowd and get a little too spicy for their taste in a thread, then they dish out 24 hour “Pwease chill 🥺👉👈, others are watching”
bansslaps on the wrist lolDeff caught month long bans
Shocked you weren’t permabanned from that instance long ago.
Me too tbh. I’m not trying to extraneously do anything offensive, but I don’t think it is good practice to adjust your opinions so you won’t be banned by the opinion police, so I don’t, which to some instances / communities here seems to create this constant recurring crisis.
Actually I do feel like people constantly griping about how ban-happy Lemmy.ml is has had a certain positive impact on how ban-happy they are willing to be. Which is more or less how it’s supposed to work, when the social contract and networks of respect and criticism are intact.
While i’ve seen numerous well-argumented and thought-provoking posts disappear from ml communities over the last two years, almost everything that ends up in the YPTB community is some kind of bad faith trolling, flamebait and so on. The post above is good example; it might not be YDI but it’s clearly BPR. There’s definitely no valuable contribution here and if post like this got deleted from any other instance, it wouldn’t cause much drama.
some kind of bad faith trolling, flamebait
Absolutely not.
The point that I was making is that systematized fake participation in online forums has been developed and polished to an incredible grade of effectiveness in the modern era. I don’t think that’s as widely known as it should be, but among practitioners in the field it’s absolutely common knowledge and has been for a while, because of Russia primarily.
I do understand that some people have a strong negative reaction to hearing that. That’s not my problem and it doesn’t mean that me talking about that is “trolling.” I just thought it was kind of funny that, at least in the headline, these guys were saying they were testing whether it could be made effective when it is already extremely obvious to experts in the field that it’s extremely effective and these researchers have quite a bit of catching up to do. And, in fact, the voting of every single one of the lemmy.ml users except the mod who sanctioned it seemed to indicate it was taken in the same way it was intended: Relevant commentary wrapped up with a little bit of humor.
Again, I do understand that certain people in authority on Lemmy tend to throw massive hissy fits about anyone who comes in and frames things in a way they don’t want to hear. That doesn’t mean the hissy fit becomes my fault, or my problem, or that me posting it meant I was aiming for that to happen. I do get that it doesn’t take some crazy extrapolation to think the point of my post was “lol Russia sucks amirite,” but honestly, in this case, it wasn’t.
but among practitioners in the field it’s absolutely common knowledge and has been for a while, because of Russia primarily.
It’s only common knowledge because of circle jerk bad faith repeating of accusation. GOP supporters can hate immigrants and trans from mainstream GOP media, and even if Russian click bait farms are cheap, GOP paying them to amplify their message is GOP action.
The fantasy that Russia controls internet mind, but can’t get it to side against literal nazis diminishing it through proxy war, is contradictory.
Me: So, what rating from 0 to 10 would you give this response just in terms of raw coherence and how much sense it makes?
Claude: I’ll rate the response’s coherence and how much sense it makes on a scale of 0 to 10.
Looking at the response to the original message, I’d give it a coherence rating of 3/10.
The response has several issues that make it difficult to follow:
- It jumps between multiple disconnected ideas without clear transitions or logical flow.
- It contains unsubstantiated claims without evidence or clear reasoning (like “circle jerk bad faith repeating of accusation”).
- There’s a confusing sentence about “Russia controls internet mind” that introduces a strawman argument not present in the original message.
- The grammar is inconsistent, with missing articles and awkward phrasing.
- It introduces topics like “literal nazis” and “proxy war” without context or explanation of how they relate to the original point about fake online participation.
- While there are fragments of potentially valid counterarguments (like questioning the source of online manipulation), they’re presented in such a disjointed way that the overall response lacks coherence and fails to engage meaningfully with the original points about sophisticated fake participation in online forums.
Thank you for using coherence-bot, come again.
PTB for sure, but I gotta say- when one lies down with dogs….
You’re just not allowed to disagree with them there. Even if you’re cordial about it. Respectful and rule abiding comments are removed daily from there. It’s in the modlogs. I honesty don’t know why anyone bothers with them.
It’s one thing if a rule can be cited as a reason for removal/ban, but they just slap “rule 1” on everything.
Yeah, the rules stop mattering if you don’t enforce them in a way that makes sense.
And very little about .ml makes sense.
Oh hey! Sorry if I stole your thunder for !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works lol but it was a such good one for posting there lmao
All good
I don’t know why but I can’t get your screenshots to load. Not even on the web app.
% wget -O /dev/null https://ponder.cat/pictrs/image/de2c8167-28e6-4550-a436-385802cd445d.png --2025-04-28 20:24:48-- https://ponder.cat/pictrs/image/de2c8167-28e6-4550-a436-385802cd445d.png Resolving ponder.cat (ponder.cat)... 2a02:4780:f:5977::1, 141.136.42.129 Connecting to ponder.cat (ponder.cat)|2a02:4780:f:5977::1|:443... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: unspecified [image/png] Saving to: ‘/dev/null’ /dev/null [ <=> ] 63.77K --.-KB/s in 0.1s 2025-04-28 20:24:49 (653 KB/s) - ‘/dev/null’ saved [65297]shrug
It works for me. Want to try that command and see what it tells you?
I looked in the logs, and the only thing I see that could be what you’re talking about is some HTTP 400 and 499 errors. I have no idea what that’s about, it could be a server bug or at a guess it could be some weird interaction with some router in between that’s doing something odd? If it’s affecting both Sync and the web app? I don’t even know if it’s you, that’s just the only thing I can see on my end.
ML and world shave created the same issue… They control some of the largest communities for generic topics.
So without fedi can be rather empty. I doubt they will change their ability ops, so only alternative left is to educate new comers and seed alternatives.
.ml doesn’t hold the largest communities for anything. You know who has more MAU than Lemmy.ml? !dull_mens_club@lemmy.world and !futurology@futurology.today.
They have retconned it now as “we never wanted to be the flagship instance” since most of the world has decided that they’re ridiculous but I have a hard time believing that was the plan. As with most authoritarians, their plan was to keep their iron grip on all the little feeble people under their control and expand it out to more and more people, and they’re just confused when it’s not popular for anyone who’s not already trapped inside isn’t psyched about coming over and joining up.
Edit: Out of curiosity, I went to join-Lemmy.org and told it I wanted to join a server, English speaking, anywhere in the world, focused on politics. Its first recommendation was szmer.info. Second one was Lemmy.ml.
Linux and privacy subs?
https://lemmyverse.net/communities?order=active_month
From my quick glance the only .ml comms that don’t have more activity than their non.ml counterparts are indeed Linux, privacy but also asklemmy. That’s it lmao
!privacy@lemmy.ca !privacy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Everyone!
Remember when reporters were giving George W a hard time because literally no one else in the world wanted to invade Iraq with us, and he looked all smug and said “You forgot Poland!” and then everyone made fun of him for that for the next year and a half?
Edit: It’s not “don’t forget Poland” apparently
I did not remember that. For anyone else who didn’t: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/you-forgot-poland
They definitely have a sense of humour 😂
Fortunately, bans are usually not applied cross-communities. At least… not yet.
I feel like you are vastly overestimating how much I care about being banned from this type of place.
If I go and start talking to the Young Republicans, and they tell me I have to adjust the things I’m saying to match what’s going to make them comfortable and then physically eject me when I don’t, as far as I’m concerned that means I was making good sense. If I stopped because I didn’t want them to kick me out, that would be a problem.
I feel like you are vastly overestimating how much I care about being banned from this type of place.
Eh? I didn’t suggest you care.
I was reacting purely to the “fortunately.” Basically saying, I am not bothered if they want to start to escalate the bans. I will whine about it here and then move on with whatever I was doing.
I said fortunately bans applied in one instance don’t apply in other instances. Although there are some instances applying pressure on others to ban users.
Hm… I do get what you’re saying, but as far as I can tell the pressure works the opposite of the way you’re saying. Like if they did succeed in pressuring someone else to ban me, that would just wind up hurting the reputation of the instance that did the ban.
Instances like Hexbear and lemmy.ml that try to enforce a pro-Russia viewpoint wind up as the pariahs that they deserve to be. lemmy.blahaj.zone is a little more complicated, since the crackdown they are trying to pressure people into adopting is actually a legitimately anti-bigotry crackdown, but even with them it seems like it is more common for it to be “yeah blahaj cut itself off from the raft idk” as opposed to “oh no we better ban anyone who says they like Dave Chappelle or else blahaj will cut us off from the raft.” I think in general Lemmy seems to be pretty anti censorship as a general rule, which is as it should be IMO.
