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So will the Italian government provide an Official List of Pirated Content or do the VPN providers need to determine it manually?
[Speculation]
They’ll probably get a list of hashes from major copyright holders. So the biggest torrents won’t work, but you’ll still be able to pirate small-time artists.
But the individual network packets are usually at most 1500 byes long, and applications encrypt the content. Hashing doesn’t prevent jack squat. It’s more likely to be DNS + IP blocks
How would a hash help? The dns just gives you info to resolve the destination, not the content.
They would need to map the trackers most likely
“Italian organized crime groups receipts have been estimated to reach 7–9% of Italy’s GDP.”
But I guess pirating books is a more pressing problem.
Not if you’re MetaFace it isn’t.
Why tf are countries with a suffering middle and lower classes targeting them especially?
To squeeze one more monthly subscription out of them?
To just make then skip the culture they can’t afford?Because they don’t fight back unlike the billionaires who threaten to take jobs away / donate to their political rivals, the criminals who blackmail or threaten bodily harm (since this is Italy we’re taking about), and the individuals who fall into both categories.
Yes.
But billionaires fighting back is just issuing an order for someone professional to do so in their behalf, themselves risking basically nothing.
Middle and lower classes need to do to work, do their chores, fight stress, organise, research, maybe take a loan to pay for legal costs, etc.
Someone might say the system is rigged.
there is proxies, which arnt vpn they will just switch to those.
They will, at best, mildly inconvenienced the pirates.
I’ve been pirating a long time. Not once have I been inconvenienced by any anti-Piracy measure. There’s always another way around.
Even North Korea can’t stop pirating completely.
Having to find a way around is an inconvenience.
lol not really. Not a single piracy measure I’ve ever come across was anything more than a 3-5 minute Google fix away.
Yep
It’s like when YouTube finds a way to show you an ad, and then you go to ublock and update filters and boom fixed.
Oh no Italy is requiring something unenforceable, hopefully nobody from other countries ignores this and provides VPN access unhindered.
In the nicest possible way, what you’re both describing are minor inconveniences.
You seem very intent on convincing multiple people we are more inconvenienced than we feel.
I think you are missing the feeling of smug superiority that comes from defeating the feeble multi-million dollar attempts to punish us…with 5 mouse clicks. So on the surface level it might be an inconvenience, but you step into the actual activity and boom, we’re telling these dumbasses to fuck off. And that’s fun.
I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything, for some reason some people just want to ignore the meaning of words. I’m not saying anyone feels super inconvenienced either, like I said they’re minor inconveniences, but they’re there and they grow.
Frankly I couldn’t care less about sticking it to the man, I’ve been around the scene for 30 odd years at this point and I don’t think that’s ever been a motivator for me. I do like things that make it more convenient, more reliable and increase selection - I don’t like things that make it more difficult, no matter how small.
So Italy is going to block all VPNs, then?
“The Internet sees censorship as damage and routes around it.”
How exactly will they force compliance for companies not based in Italy, or even the EU?
Making something illegal and actually stopping it are two different things. Also see: drugs.
By banning and blocking all VPN providers not based in Italy.
Sounds like a possible violation of EU rights. Similar practices have cost other governments dearly in the past.
I am experiencing such banning of providers right now. It is a whack-a-mole, seems futile. Not to mention that most people use sketchy free noname VPNs that are just too numerous. Or apparently some people set up basic XRay/VLESS/whatever and sell it via a Telegram bot…
Not mentionning that anyone can set up their own VPN server… Good fucking luck with that 💀
You can ban big hosting providers, but even here they’re cautious with measures like that because it would break WAY too much. Not to mention that you could just use a lesser-known one, even if it doesn’t operate in the country legally.
I’d like to see them ban Microsoft azure, aws, or whatever Google calls it. Not to mention the numerous smaller providers.
Italians will just pay with crypto to get around payment bans.
I bet there comes the day that I need to share access to my server to allow people from other countries accessing the real free web through me…
Host a Tor node or bridge right now if it is safe for you))
Or vpn hopping, works too.
So by going harder on blocking content that China? Because that’s what they do but most of the big providers get through after a day or two of downtime each time the government make a change to block them.
Supreme fascist control doesn’t start immediately. It needs to take one small baby step every day.
Better yet, how will they determine what is “pirated content”?
Never heard of forcing VPN providers to block something. Kinda defeats the purpose. Long live Tor I guess?
It’s a fascist government, they don’t care about reality, just looks.
France has been attempting the exact same thing recently.
Tor + vpn can circumvent these blocks?
Don’t combine. Just use tor or a VPN.
I’ll stop combining them when Tor can punch through the censorship in this country
I still don’t have an understanding whether this meaningfully downgrades Tor’s security. Because if there was no extra harm, it would be helpful when bridges are blocked frequently, but some VPN services (or just your own VPS setup) have a better obfuscation.
What? The link you posted didn’t even say that. Just to avoid if your not an advance user. They literally have a page explaining benefits…
What nonsense. If I want my origin to tor to start with a VPN then I will and I’ll be more anonymous because of it.
Australia already has this, but it is extremely easy to circumvent, just use a different VPN.
Don’t even have to go that far, just change your DNS to a non-Australian one. Anything that turns up from a “top 10 dns providers” search works.
Won’t happen. Enforcing this would cost way too much.
They will use it to jail anyone caught using the internet illegally. Most likely people that are ideologically opposed to them.
It’s Italy, there is no chance of that efficiency. This is - as usual - stuff done to prevent pirated sport content. Nothing else has ever and probably will ever be done.
With these kind of news from Southern Europe it’s always about pirate football streams. How much does it cost to watch football legally in Italy?
The only options you have are:
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Dazn Standard (45€/month, 35€/month if you pay for 12 months) to get access to all the SerieA matches (and a whole bunch of other sports nobody cares about)
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Dazn Goal Pass (20€/month, 14€/month if you pay for 12 months) to get access to 3 SerieA matches per week which you don’t get to choose (and a bunch of other sports nobody cares about)
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Sky (16€/month for the first 18 months, then whatever Sky wants after that) to get access to 3 SerieA matches per week which you don’t get to choose (and a bunch of other stuff nobody cares about)
Most people care only about some specific matches, so your only option is Dazn.
Dazn is also a very crappy service, it often has connectivity problems and also has ads. Fun fact, if you get a connection issue while watching a Dazn ad, it will restart.
So, as usual, monopoly, high costs and crappy services drive piracy.
Important note: wages in Italy are VERY low. 45€/month is a significant expense.
🤮
Imagine stuffing so much cash in the butt of a rich guy, only to look how other, most likely better earners than you, play against each others using a tiny ball.
I don’t get sports fanatics…
I don’t get sports fanatics…
Most people just want to watch a match of their home town/favourite team maybe once a week. This is very moderate, what’s so bad about that? However in order to do that they either have to either spend an absurd amount of money to get access to all matches, or spend a bit less money to play lottery and hope the match they wanted to watch gets selected.
How many of these soccer stadiums have been build with tax payer money?
I think all the big stadiums actually used for these big matches are privately built and owned?
That would be unusual. Most sports stadiums in most major cities are heavily subsidized by the city/state (e.g. tax payers), especially in public transportation. I’d be surprised if even a small % were 100% privately funded.
Wow, that’s way worse than I imagined. No wonder people watch illegal streams!
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Are there even any decent VPN providers operating in Italy? What is the point of this?
I think airvpn is based in Italy
Heh… Good luck forcing VPN to do anything!
Has no log VPN
“We have no record of anything, oh well.”
