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Soldiers put an explosive cord around the man’s neck and forced him to scout buildings for eight hours. After his release, another division shot him dead.
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Explosives around necks and executions…
What group does that remind me off…
Remember this and the many other examples when they try to call themselves “the most moral army in the world”.
Moral and army are two words that by definition cannot go together, just pretty tokens for Israelis to feel good about their service.
at this point they can’t even claim moral superiority over Nazis let alone a world wide rank.
This news article is both disturbing and interesting. The people that alerted the news agency about the event are soldiers that were there. The only other witnesses are dead.
It means there is a conflict of values inside IDF.
I would hazzard a guess that their commander ordered it and is part of the religous-Zionism movement. It’s a newish subset of zionism that is very similar to Nazism. Only difference is who they want to kill (the list also includes non-religous Jews).
This stuff is hardly new. There is testimonies of former Israeli soldiers from 30 and 40 years ago, where they talked about randomly murdering Civilians or beating children into disability for fun and to normalize the dehumanization and annihilation of Palestinians.
It was actively encouraged by leading officers to commit such atrocities, so that the lower ranks are eased into it and can say they were merely following the example of leading officers w.o. there being a paper trail of formal commands.
Zionism has been a Fascist movement for many decades.
“Death to Israel” is not a promotion of genocide. I wish for the state of Israel to no longer exist. Israel is predicated on genocide, and is beyond redemption. Imagine thinking that saying “death to Nazi Germany” was a genocidal statement.
.world mods doing what they do best, being no different than reddit.
Reddit never had mods like this, that i know of, this is legit crazy.
But “Death to Germany” would be if the idea was to kill or displace the majority of German.
Within a German context that in particular actually rather means death of the national idea, cf. Slime’s Deutschland muss sterben, “Germany must die”, which, as correctly recognised by the constitutional court, expresses a counterpoint to the Prussian/Nazi militaristic parole “Germany must live, even if we shall die”. The song, taking up sentiment that the court traces back to at least 1844, turns that around into “Germany must die so we may live”, reaffirming individual (and regional) freedom and identity in the face of an encroaching normative force of “Germanness”.
You don’t often see a constitutional court getting into analysis of a punk song but when it happens, well, it’s glorious. And Nazis loathe that sentiment. Two years ago the Bundestag had a debate about regional and minority languages, the AfD was incapable of finding a single parliamentarian of theirs who spoke any. The thing is that while they’re the ones shouting loudest about “protecting German culture”, they’re the last ones to actually value any culture from anywhere in Germany – they want to replace everything with their own ideas, and German nationalism has been like that since pretty much forever. So, yes, Germany must die.
Very informative, thank you.
Sure, and “happy birthday” would be a genocidal statement if the idea was to kill or displace the majority of Scottish.
The intention matters, yes.
What would “Death to Palestine” mean to you? Is it a call for violence against Palestinians or is it a weird way to tell “Merry Christmas” ?
“Death to Palestine” is exactly what is happening, right along with “death to Palestinians”. You are both-sidesing an active genocide. FOH.
I agree that there is a genocide going on, I’m just pointing out that it is a bit hypocritical to consider “Death to Israel” as being ok while any other “Death to X” being a call for violence.
Israel has as much right to exist than Palestine. And those who uses violence to further their agenda should be stopped at all cost, no matter the side they are on.
No, absolutely not. Palestinians have a right to violent struggle, as an occupied and oppressed people. That is a defensive and liberatory struggle. Israel’s violence is that of genocide and colonialism.
“Death to [geographical place]” shouldn’t be said by anyone. However it’s meant, it’s way too easy for people to take literally, and it provides cover for the few that actually do mean literal harm. Maybe you mean “down with Israel,” but even that can be taken the wrong way. (Much like saying “down with [monarch]” would historically be understood to mean that monarch should die as opposed to stepping down.)
I really don’t care how you take my opposition to a genocidal state. The crimes of Israel demand a much stronger international response than they are getting. You can cry about my tone but I think strong language is warranted. Hear me again: I do not want all “Israelis” killed. I want the state of “Israel” itself destroyed.
All I’m saying is that you should say what you mean then (as you did in this reply), and not what can very easily be used against you.
You do you, I’ll do me.
That’s the spirit.
Don’t let these people take away our teeth and claws.
Well, they are getting us used to tolerating mass genocide
So… Just point or clarity… They used him as a human shield then killed him because he survived being a human shield or did being a human shield kill him but later?
The group that used him as a human shield didn’t kill him directly. They sent him and his wife south, because the area they were found in was considered evacuated.
When an area is considered evacuated every non-IDF person is shot on sight. They knew it, and “forgot” to update over the radio about the elderly couple that will pass through. So the next group of soldiers shot them on sight.
As someone who lives in Occupied Palestine, im not surprised. The IOF is a cruel genocidal military and the occupation government that backs them are just as bad.
Fucking war criminals
This is why you never cooperate.
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This comment shouldn’t have been censored.
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I am neither Muslim nor a country. Just a human being witnessing the inhumanity of Israel’s genocide. They have forfeit any right to be a country.
And so has gaza, which was never a country and is just an area where the actual countries in the Middle East discarded their undesirables
If Muslims quit attacking Israel, Israel would quit attacking them. I remember Egypt becoming civilized in ‘79 and not having any more issues. Tracking my family in Tel Aviv it scared this shit out of me with the constant barrage of rockets. It doesn’t matter they were shoulder fired and some didn’t have armaments. They chose to act like they were at war and the “government” such as it is of gaza is wholly to blame and has always advocated genocide.
Occupied people have a right to self defense. The whole world recognizes the genocide that Israel is perpetrating. Liberation for the people of Palestine. Destruction to the settlers.
He can’t answer the mods delete anything that goes against what they think.
Lol get wrecked, genocide enjoyers.
LoL. You can’t make this shit up.
Exactly. He can say death to Israel but if you say the same sentence with the other place you’re banned
Let me tweak that for you so you can maybe understand what’s going on here:
“He can say death to Nazi Germany but if you say the same sentence with Poland you’re banned”
0 surprise
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So you recognize Palestine as a country
Yes.
What does its territory entail? The West Bank currently occupied by Israel perhaps?
Dont know. Whatever you like mate.
There is no debate here as I can’t talk about it, if you want debate go to Reddit.
Mods will delete any answer that goes against what they will allow you to say, so stop trying to have a debate.Interesting. Have you considered going to Reddit where you are allowed to speak freely? What is preventing you from going to that platform which aligns with your views on genocide?
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Oh yes, the people calling for the death of an entire country are always written down in history as the good guys 🙃
Wow, you’re really contributing to the conversation here.
There can be no conversation when mods control what I can write to the degree that is happening here. This is not even what I believe, but it is the closest to what I believe I can write.
I would never believe that any country should be deleted.
What I believe was deleted by the mods because it talked about blaming the responsible ones, for me what I wrote here is much more extreme but I don’t make the rules I just follow them.
Edit: the mod deleted it even if they they said those word were okay, I used the exact same words they did, the guys just can’t take what they diss out, what a joke they are, they should be embarrassed by themselves.
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I thought that 972 is an Israeli magazine, would love if you could give sources for your claim.
are you sure you are not the trust worthy source?
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“Islamic extremist”? This magazine was founded and is currently operated by Israeli jews. What are you on about?
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A genocide is not an appropriate response.
I did not write that, I can’t answer as i will be deleted by mods, but i did not write anything like that at all.
And WOW mods really delete replies that don’t condemn Isreal, worrying and totally unacceptable and untenable way to run this, how frivolous it is.
good luck with that.
Who want to be a part of that.Could you perhaps link to the modlogs? I would do it myself but I’m on mobile and am having connection issues.
EDIT: I apperently commented 4 times despite the app saying there was an error posting.
Anyway here’s the link to the modlog and part of the comment:…if anyone attacked my country as Palenstine did Isreal i would not be happy until all the hostages was freed and the ones responsible was dead.
I can see where @jordanlund@lemmy.world was coming from if you interpret “the ones responsible” as all Palestinians it certainly sounds like genocide, however I think you were probably referring to Hamas.
It was less “the ones responsible” and more “appropriate response”.
The appropriate response to 1,200 deaths is not to kill between 50,000 and 70,000 innocent civilians and state on multiple occasions “there are no innocent Palestinians”.
You don’t respond to war crimes with even bigger war crimes.
Yeah, good point. I focused too much on the last part.
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Been considering a new name for the 1 state solution that merges both Gaza and Israel into a working 1 state solution. Fantastica was my initial thought, kinda gives a middle finger while being a nice reference to the fact anyone murdering children for any reason are living in a fantasy world with real world repercussions like Fantastica in The Never Ending Story, book not movie, movies got nostalgia on it’s side but the book is a lot better, even though it was originally a young adult novel, I read it about 9yo, and liked it so much it’s still one of my favorite books 30ish yrs later… But if not Fantastica, maybe New Manhattan, or New Juneau, new Alaska, gotta be something that shatters their belief the land is holy. Fertile, sure, holy… Well it is holey where they keep detonating. But if all it takes is “talking to god”, fine, I talked to god, they busy, that land is as holy and sacred as the current inhabitants see the life of people they view as less than them. So Israel is gonna need to be leveled, for something useful like a giant pyre of holy texts, Gaza too, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. To quote Borat: " your opinion is no require."
