Yep. I banned soooo many “concern troll” / agenda posting accounts like that. Wish more instances would have done that (not that I think Lemmy had that much of an impact on the election, but just a general kind of thing).
Yeah. We saw one head of the hydra, the one that was optimized to appeal to people who care about Gaza and immigration, but it was only the one. Other voters saw other messaging that wouldn’t have worked at all on Lemmy people. The point is not that Lemmy had any impact, it is that the hydra is a bad and significant thing.
It blows my mind that Lemmy admins don’t seem to grasp that this is a problem. Every election-related comments section was and still is filled with obviously engineered-for-a-purpose bullshit, and they’re like “ho hum doo doo doo well I guess everyone can say what they like, free speech ya know, please be civil.” It’s not that the Nazi at the table in the back is breaking any of the “rules” of the lunchroom. It’s that he is a Nazi. Fuck him. He needs to get out.
I don’t disagree, but it’s not quite as easy as that especially for admins of a large instance. It’s just a lot of voices, some legitimate, some part of a hydra campaign, and others legitimate but only spouting the hydra narrative because they heard it so much and bought into it (forgive the term, but “useful idiots”).
For as many as I banned myself (I run a small instance), I probably let 10 slide because I couldn’t prove they were one of the hydra heads.
My instance is small enough to fly under the radar, but for larger instances, the hydra heads will absolutely flood the YePowerTrippingBastards-esque communities and screech they’re being censored, [Big instance] is censoring [blank], [Big instance] wants genocide, etc in an attempt to spread their message via a corrupted version of the Streisand Effect.
TL;DR is it’s an easy game for the bad actors to play and a very unlevel playing field for everyone else. I wish there were an easy answer, but there really isn’t. The only way I’ve found to combat it on my own instance is to just disallow “agenda posting” (which I realize is a very blunt instrument, but it’s the best I can do given the platform limitations).
Yeah, agreed on all counts. I’ve seen them trying to manipulate the mod teams to do their bidding, and I sort of suspect that the campaign against FlyingSquid happened because he was taking action against the misinformation and they don’t like that and want to bully him out so they’ll have less resistance in the future.
Did they? What happened? I didn’t hear about this. politics@LW was so bizarre and useless that I gave up on it a while back.
I feel like Jordan could be pressured into doing things the way someone was pressuring him to do them, and so they tried to pressure him, while FS would argue for what he thought was right, and so they tried to get rid of him completely. And I think on both counts they’ve been succeeding pretty well.
It’s been a while, but the troll in question was spamming Jordan’s avatar image all over the place with a lot of unflattering (and false) accusations (I’ll just leave it at that).
Yeah. We saw one head of the hydra, the one that was optimized to appeal to people who care about Gaza and immigration, but it was only the one. Other voters saw other messaging that wouldn’t have worked at all on Lemmy people. The point is not that Lemmy had any impact, it is that the hydra is a bad and significant thing.
It blows my mind that Lemmy admins don’t seem to grasp that this is a problem. Every election-related comments section was and still is filled with obviously engineered-for-a-purpose bullshit, and they’re like “ho hum doo doo doo well I guess everyone can say what they like, free speech ya know, please be civil.” It’s not that the Nazi at the table in the back is breaking any of the “rules” of the lunchroom. It’s that he is a Nazi. Fuck him. He needs to get out.
I don’t disagree, but it’s not quite as easy as that especially for admins of a large instance. It’s just a lot of voices, some legitimate, some part of a hydra campaign, and others legitimate but only spouting the hydra narrative because they heard it so much and bought into it (forgive the term, but “useful idiots”).
For as many as I banned myself (I run a small instance), I probably let 10 slide because I couldn’t prove they were one of the hydra heads.
My instance is small enough to fly under the radar, but for larger instances, the hydra heads will absolutely flood the YePowerTrippingBastards-esque communities and screech they’re being censored, [Big instance] is censoring [blank], [Big instance] wants genocide, etc in an attempt to spread their message via a corrupted version of the Streisand Effect.
TL;DR is it’s an easy game for the bad actors to play and a very unlevel playing field for everyone else. I wish there were an easy answer, but there really isn’t. The only way I’ve found to combat it on my own instance is to just disallow “agenda posting” (which I realize is a very blunt instrument, but it’s the best I can do given the platform limitations).
Yeah, agreed on all counts. I’ve seen them trying to manipulate the mod teams to do their bidding, and I sort of suspect that the campaign against FlyingSquid happened because he was taking action against the misinformation and they don’t like that and want to bully him out so they’ll have less resistance in the future.
They did the same to Jordan Lund in politics as they did to squid in Word news. So yeah, most likely.
Did they? What happened? I didn’t hear about this. politics@LW was so bizarre and useless that I gave up on it a while back.
I feel like Jordan could be pressured into doing things the way someone was pressuring him to do them, and so they tried to pressure him, while FS would argue for what he thought was right, and so they tried to get rid of him completely. And I think on both counts they’ve been succeeding pretty well.
It’s been a while, but the troll in question was spamming Jordan’s avatar image all over the place with a lot of unflattering (and false) accusations (I’ll just leave it at that).