let’s not pretend women never commit violent offences
Bro that’s a whole new sentence wtf are you talking about
The point was that in the modern day, pretty much 100% of the violence scenarios where women “need” a man in the equation to protect them, the source of the problem is another man.
I actually don’t agree with when the pendulum swings all the way to total misandry like “men are all the problem sources and even outside of physical-violence scenarios they aren’t really needed.” You need a balance. There is a hilarious article by someone who tried working in an all-female office and she found the experience intensely unpleasant and not at all like the post-gender feminist utopia that was advertised. But as far as I can tell, no one here was saying that that was the goal, or that women were never criminal or violent. Just that selling men as a vital solution to the problem of interpersonal physical violence is missing a crucial leap of logic.
It’s also frankly a hard line to walk for a man to defend one woman from another one. I think most people would prefer that someone looking to commit a violent act be prevented, but I’d assume men would be worried about the optics of physically defending against a woman, especially if you inadvertently overdo it. I’m a woman, so I can’t be sure, but I think that would be lurking in the back of my mind (and I know how easy it is for men to hurt me without intending to). Even worse, you might underdo it, leading to the original intended violence, your possible criminal consequences from your defense, and your loss of face.
I’ve seen the “white knighting” thing in videos, but in my small amount of personal experience people are actually pretty good at sorting out and agreeing on who is the primary aggressor regardless of gender. Maybe the “man is always wrong” reaction is an anecdotal thing that gets blown up to a more common occurrence than it actually is, or maybe it’s a factor of crowd size and people jumping in from far away with no idea of the context.
What really sucks is getting attacked by a woman as a man. There is absolutely no good answer, it’s just a bad place to be stuck in.
Bro that’s a whole new sentence wtf are you talking about
The point was that in the modern day, pretty much 100% of the violence scenarios where women “need” a man in the equation to protect them, the source of the problem is another man.
I actually don’t agree with when the pendulum swings all the way to total misandry like “men are all the problem sources and even outside of physical-violence scenarios they aren’t really needed.” You need a balance. There is a hilarious article by someone who tried working in an all-female office and she found the experience intensely unpleasant and not at all like the post-gender feminist utopia that was advertised. But as far as I can tell, no one here was saying that that was the goal, or that women were never criminal or violent. Just that selling men as a vital solution to the problem of interpersonal physical violence is missing a crucial leap of logic.
It’s also frankly a hard line to walk for a man to defend one woman from another one. I think most people would prefer that someone looking to commit a violent act be prevented, but I’d assume men would be worried about the optics of physically defending against a woman, especially if you inadvertently overdo it. I’m a woman, so I can’t be sure, but I think that would be lurking in the back of my mind (and I know how easy it is for men to hurt me without intending to). Even worse, you might underdo it, leading to the original intended violence, your possible criminal consequences from your defense, and your loss of face.
I’ve seen the “white knighting” thing in videos, but in my small amount of personal experience people are actually pretty good at sorting out and agreeing on who is the primary aggressor regardless of gender. Maybe the “man is always wrong” reaction is an anecdotal thing that gets blown up to a more common occurrence than it actually is, or maybe it’s a factor of crowd size and people jumping in from far away with no idea of the context.
What really sucks is getting attacked by a woman as a man. There is absolutely no good answer, it’s just a bad place to be stuck in.
In the UK, the govt got rid of women’s prisons