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    octopus_ink@lemmy.ml to Lemmy Shitpost@lemmy.worldEnglish · 7 months ago

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    octopus_ink@lemmy.ml to Lemmy Shitpost@lemmy.worldEnglish · 7 months ago
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    • Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world
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      Unions only help themselves.

      That’s utter bullshit.

      https://www.afscme.org/blog/the-union-difference-in-wages-18-higher-pay-if-you-belong-to-a-union

      https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/27/labor-unions-winning-better-pay-hours.html

      https://www.nber.org/digest/digestsep18/new-evidence-unions-raise-wages-less-skilled-workers

      https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-30/us-union-members-see-record-pay-raises-outpace-nonunion-workers

      https://www.axios.com/2024/03/20/union-workers-wealth-comparison-pay-difference

      https://www.epi.org/publication/union-workers-had-more-job-security-during-the-pandemic-but-unionization-remains-historically-low-data-on-union-representation-in-2020-reinforce-the-need-for-dismantling-barriers-to-union-organizing/

      https://southfloridaclc.org/index.php/labor-unions-pure-pro-no-cons-2/unions-and-job-security-a-lasting-relationship

      https://www.dol.gov/sites/dolgov/files/general/labortaskforce/docs/WORK-fs-DOL-Unions-v6.pdf

      https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2021/article/employee-access-to-sick-leave.htm

      https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2019/union-workers-more-likely-than-nonunion-workers-to-have-healthcare-benefits-in-2019.htm

      They lead to higher wages, job security, better benefits, and better PTO/sick days. In every respect, in general, a union job is better for the worker than a non union job.

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        They lead to higher wages

        They lead to companies being forced to keep horrible employees that cost them money and pay them more than they’d otherwise need to. You could have negotiated better pay for yourself, but you want to keep leech employees around. They also can cause the closure of businesses (the opposite of job security). Sick time shouldn’t be a thing. No one should be incentivized to call in sick, and that costs the company money which again comes out of what you could have negotiated for yourself.

        Posting a bunch of union propaganda doesn’t change the fact that they only serve themselves.

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          They lead to companies being forced to keep horrible employees that cost them money

          I don’t care.

          and pay them more than they’d otherwise need to.

          Good, that’s the fucking point.

          You could have negotiated better pay for yourself

          You can’t, which is why unions have higher pay.

          Sick time shouldn’t be a thing. No one should be incentivized to call in sick, and that costs the company money

          Are you a troll, or are you genuinely this backwards?

          Posting a bunch of union propaganda doesn’t change the fact that they only serve themselves.

          My dude, this is all of the sources showing that they’re better jobs. It’s the government, corporate media, scientific research, all coming to the same conclusion. It ain’t propaganda.

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            I’m 53 years old. I’ve had an equal amount of union and non union jobs. Union jobs SUCK for good workers. How to pay workers less than minimum wage? - unions! How to keep a drug addicts job so they can endanger their co-workers? -Unions.

            There’s nothing stopping unions from allowing your boss to pay you minimum while they take ‘dues’ from you. Nothing is stopping unions from being as corrupt as employers.

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              Union jobs SUCK for good workers.

              The data betrays your conclusion.

              https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w27720/w27720.pdf

              https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167268122003249

              There’s nothing stopping unions from allowing your boss to pay you minimum while they take ‘dues’ from you.

              Unions aren’t mandatory. There is no taking. Given such a fundamental lack of understanding on that front really makes me doubt your story.

              Nothing is stopping unions from being as corrupt as employers.

              Yes there is, there’s the union elections and the consent required for participation.

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                Statistics are used by propagandists.

                Yes there is, there’s the union elections and the consent required for participation.

                Union reps are almost always the worst employees. Good employees don’t tend to want to bother with union crap.

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                  Statistics are used by propagandists.

                  And what evidence have you brought to the table? Fucking nothing.

                  At least I brought scientific papers.

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                    Don’t need it. You’re obviously a leech off employers. If you could simply make a point, you wouldn’t be here QQ’ing.

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                      I make 6 figures and work two jobs. I ain’t a leech, or crying.

                      You on the other hand should quit licking the boot, and stop being a class traitor. And learning how to support your claims with evidence wouldn’t hurt either.

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