Here we go, the first Presidential debate between Biden and Trump begins at 9 PM Eastern/6 PM Pacific.

How to watch it:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/25/politics/how-to-watch-cnn-debate/index.html

"The CNN Presidential Debate will air live on CNN, CNN International and CNN en Español, and via streaming on Max for subscribers and without a cable login on CNN.com. CNN will make the debate available to simulcast on additional broadcast and cable news networks.

You can also follow CNN’s live debate coverage on CNN.com, which will include analysis and fact checking."

"According to parameters set by CNN in May, all participating debaters had to appear on a sufficient number of state ballots to reach the 270 electoral vote threshold to win the presidency and receive at least 15% in four separate national polls of registered or likely voters that meet CNN’s standards for reporting.

Polls that meet those standards are those sponsored by CNN, ABC News, CBS News, Fox News, Marquette University Law School, Monmouth University, NBC News, The New York Times/Siena College, NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist College, Quinnipiac University, The Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post."

Edit And that’s it! Thanks for watching everyone!

tl;dw:

Consensus is Trump didn’t so much as beat Biden as Biden beat himself.

The real loser is CNN who failed to fact check anyone, and there were obvious fact checks on both sides.

  • Pacattack57@lemmy.world
    2·
    2 months ago

    If Biden is going to be replaced it has to be a huge name like AOC or Bernie. It’s too late to campaign anyone newer

    • Xerø@infosec.pub
      0·
      2 months ago

      Kamala Harris cannot be bypassed, if you do that say goodbye to the Black votes that you will need to win this. What you is a good old boy from the Midwest of the south to be her VP pick.

    • StaySquared@lemmy.world
      02·
      2 months ago

      Bro… AOC??? And I’m not stating this as a fact, but if Bernie became president and hiked up taxes for the wealthy, the wealthy will more than likely move their business to other nations. We need more jobs here and Bernie would cause job losses.

      • Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee
        2·
        2 months ago

        Oh no, the rich will keep doing what they’ve been doing for 50 years!

        Bernie would tax the shit out of the rich and use that to create tons of jobs… Maybe not useless McDonald’s jobs though… more like rebuilding the infrastructure jobs

        • StaySquared@lemmy.world
          02·
          2 months ago

          I mean I’d hope so… but not government jobs right? We don’t need more government agencies and more government employees. We need more private sector jobs.

                  • Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee
                    1·
                    2 months ago

                    Well if we could do that, then all that’s left is a government that serves the will of the people (assuming we still have a democracy). So in that case, the bigger the government the better.

                    Although in reality, I don’t think we’d need nearly as big a government to fully serve the will of the people if corporations weren’t mucking things up.

      • Pacattack57@lemmy.world
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        2 months ago

        You are brainwashed if you think they will move their business to other countries. Number 1: they can’t. Number 2: moving to another country means they will lose the number 1 market in the world. Number 3: they still have to pay taxes on any money earned in the US.

          • Pacattack57@lemmy.world
            1·
            2 months ago

            Moving operations and moving your business are 2 different things. No one is going to stop doing business here. You are very naive if you think labor costs and taxes will kill businesses. Who exactly is going to sell products here if everyone works in India or China?

            • StaySquared@lemmy.world
              01·
              2 months ago

              We just witnessed businesses killed in California from the minimum wage increase. And if not killed, job losses:

              Last September, Gov. Gavin Newsom signed California Assembly Bill 1287 into law, which includes a $20 per hour minimum wage for fast-food workers and a fast-food regulatory council which has the authority to raise the industry’s minimum wage annually. But between last fall and January, California fast-food restaurants cut about 9,500 jobs, representing a 1.3 percent change from September 2023.

              On April 1, a Fosters Freeze location in Lemoore, California — about three hours north of Los Angeles — shut down. That happened to be the same day the new minimum wage, which is now $20 an hour rather than $4, kicked in for fast food workers. Some employees thought that the closure was an April Fool’s joke.Apr 13, 2024

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-eQdjysM7I

              • Pacattack57@lemmy.world
                0·
                2 months ago

                What does that have to do with increased taxes? Again your business knowledge is severely lacking. Yes it’s very easy to scapegoat taxes and wages and claim that’s why your business closed when it was always poor business management. Payroll wages is tax deductible if you didn’t know.

                • StaySquared@lemmy.world
                  03·
                  2 months ago

                  That ice cream shop was established decades ago… many people in the area enjoyed going there. It had nothing to do with poor business management. Stop making excuses for taxing business owners exponentially.

                  lol poor business management. good grief.