• NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
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    2 months ago

    I brought up some examples which make him, to me, the furthest-left president we’ve had since LBJ.

    Biden has a good labor record; that’s not really up for dispute, so I didn’t dispute it. Also I didn’t say he was further right than Reagan; I said he was further right than Reagan on some issues. Those, notably, don’t include labor rights. Anyway Biden’s biggest problem, as I understand it, was that he was simply too far gone. I mean the man had a series of very public cognitive failures, which added to his already well-known and unpopular policies (immigration and Gaza come to mind) and an overall meh administration (with some very real gains in many important areas, tbf) and setting aside how good or bad he was as president he just wasn’t gonna beat Trump.

    What on earth are you talking about? Harris is the most popular Democrat since Obama.

    That makes her better than… Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden.

    It’s just a way to try to hook the groupthink in people’s brains to make them think she’s not worth voting for without focusing on any kind of policy.

    Is it? I don’t really understand these things so maybe you’re right, but that’s definitely not what I intended when I called her unelectable. I also explained what I meant twice, I think, so I’m not sure where the confusion is.

    I just don’t think that Kamala Harris is “doing that” in the same way,

    She’s not “doing that”, but all her signaling so far has been that she’ll carry over “doing that” when she’s president.

    Trump wants to blow up the world, and I don’t want that to happen, so I voted for Harris. I’m fine talking with you about aspects of her policy, but it’s definitely not relevant to the decision of who to vote for.

    Okay I think we’re having two different conversation. I never, at any point, talked about who anyone should vote for. Again, this is my second time making that clear. I was taking issue with criticism of the Uncommitted movement’s, well, uncommitted campaign because it’s both barking up the wrong tree and straight up victim blaming.

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      2 months ago

      You did say he was more to the right on some issues. And then promptly didn’t give any examples. Not super helpful when we could see if his position on those stances had changed since 2008 (considering it’s been 16 years since…)

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        I mean in his senate years he was a small government, tough on crime, etc etc senator not unlike pre-Trump republicans. There’s a Wikipedia page titled (I think) “Biden’s political history” for more details.

        Not super helpful when we could see if his position on those stances had changed since 2008 (considering it’s been 16 years since…)

        The thing about POTUS is that the office’s ability to do… Well, most things is limited. He’s said about a lot of things “yeah I don’t believe this anymore”, but then he went full Republican on the border when he felt it would get him more votes (which I don’t think it did, but that aside) so you can’t really judge his position on, say, police brutality or the war on drugs.