What do you think?
One of My strongest memories is watching a documentary where they claimed dogs don’t dream, and my dogs directly in front of the TV making little sleep barks and moving legs deep into some dream.
Let’s be honest we are animals and the rest aren’t all that far behind us.
Yeah I understand but I’m talking about an inner monologue, not about dreaming…
Dreaming definetly involves quite deep thoughts imo.
I just found it absolutely mad these science guys on TV where claiming dogs don’t dream, I mean it’s obviously nonsense to anyone who has ever had a dog how the hell do they get to their nonsense conclusions
Not everyone has a voice in their head. Do you have a cat? Cats have thoughts. Unfortunately that thought is sometimes, “eff you, human!”
What do you mean about “not everyone has a voice in their head”? I have one… I would like to research more about this topic.
I am curious how many people don’t have an inner monologue, but there are a few articles on the subject. Here’s one at random.>
My cognition is mixed. Verbal inner monologue is going most of the time when I’m just thinking about routine stuff. But if I’m “in the flow zone” working on a project or playing music or something like that, the little “voice in my head” vanishes completely and that’s when I’m the happiest. I suspect most people can relate to those modes.
Thx for the info…
There are also people who are unable to see images in their mind. In case you want to go further down the rabbit hole.
Do you know if it’s some kind of mental illness? I mean some kind of human abnormality, or do you believe there are a lot of people like that?
My theory is that there’s no such thing as neurotypical.
Neurotypical is just the statistical average of all the different ways we’re fucked in the head.
i.e. Half have anxiety, the other half have depression and we just assume normal is somewhere in the middle.
What do you mean about “not everyone has a voice in their head”?
Well, what do you think it means?
I believe it would be interesting to talk about this with someone wo inner monologue.
I would say that animals have thoughts, yes. But I don’t think that they have an inner monologue or voice.
You could probably ask someone who has no inner voice. I think animals might be more similar to that.
Not sure about thoughts, but cats are interesting in their level of committment to their intent when they “decide” they want to do something. They are laser-focused and its hard to actually meaningfully distract them from the execution once the order’s been placed haha.
Watch them sometime. They are very deiberate little critters
When my cat is staring me in my eyes I swear he’s trying to mind control me.
Cat holding paw out towards op
You will give me extra food!
I would say all living things have some form of thought and consciousness. Even those that lack brains like plants.
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Probably not expressed as a voice, but definitely thinking.
One of our cats would regularly get “that look” on her face and we’d tell her “Lorelei! Stop thinking evil thoughts!” then she’d go on a tear. Clearly plotting what she was going to do.
They don’t have language, so they can’t have the internal dialogue.
But can they have imagination? Since many animals have dreams, then why not?
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My dog’s would often woof and move their paws on their dreams.
I don’t think they have an internal monologue. I think they just react to their senses.
But they can make plans, they have goal-oriented behavior that drives them to seek out a goal that exists beyond their senses. If I leave the house through the front door without giving my dog his customary distraction, he goes out the back door and around the side because he knows that, if I haven’t properly secured the fence, he can get out through the fence to reach me. Nothing about that involves his senses, it’s just something he’s figured out.
Now, I doubt any part of that involves an internal monologue because they don’t use language (even though they can, in fact, understand limited language). If they don’t use it themselves, they probably don’t figure things out in their heads that way, it simply wouldn’t be very efficient. But they certainly possess more complex internal cognition than just “I smell food” or whatever.
When I solve the kinds of problems that animals have been shown to be able to solve, there’s no inner vocalization. I solve those problems using visual simulations in my head. I use virtual hands more than I use a virtual voice to solve such things.
I’m autistic.
To be honest, that’s me too! (And I also might be autistic.) But I’m capable of thinking things out verbally, something I do particularly in regard to programming and architecture problems, or figuring out what to say to someone else. So it’s a tool that’s available to me. I don’t think it’s available to my dog, but I’ll bet he’s doing virtual paws.
Wait, you have a little voice in your head??
Animals have thoughts, that is clear as day.
Inner Monolog? In a way. But not like us because they don’t speak English motherfucker.
But it’s possible to have thoughs if you don’t have inner monologue?
Bro, not even all people have an inner monologue. There are many different modes to process thoughts.
Not even all humans have that little voice.
I don’t believe this. I know this is supposedly true, but I feel like people are lieing just to feel special or something.
How can someone not have a head voice? If one needs to go to the supermarket, does one not think “humm… What do I need… I need bananas, toilet paper…”…
When I used to come out of the closet as a teenager, this was a common response: “it’s not real” or “you’ve decided to do this”.
It didn’t occur to me I could have righteous indignation about it, but it did lead to me to a place where I’m still enthusiastically delighted/shocked/vindicated when straight people literally don’t care about gays, or aren’t disgusted by gays, or when they wish noncishet people happy anniversary.
Have you ever been close to a cat? I cant believe they can be wacky like this without some sort of inner monologue and intention.
