I wish we could say the same about Israelis.
Not all Israelis support netanyahu or the death/colonisation. Even if maybe the majority do.
Too many do, unfortunately.
I only hate the zionists and a great many of them are not Jewish.
Many of them are open antisemites even. Zionism and Antisemitism are allied ideologies.
Well that’s counterintuitive. Where’d you learn that?
It is counterintuitive but it does make sense. You see the initial plan the Nazis used to try to get rid of the Jews was to expel them from Germany. They had no problem if the Jews all grouped together and settled their own country so long as it was somewhere else. Far away from them. (And when they didn’t leave they made conditions horrible for them). That’s why antisemites love Zionism; it’s a way to get rid of the Jewish population in their country without dirtying their hands with ethnic cleansing. Which is how we get to conspiracy nutjobs who rant about Jewish space lasers setting forest fires in the US for some reason, turning around and enthusiastically supporting Israel and defence aid for Israel.
The jewish population in israel is in a better position to effect change than the loudest voices anywhere else
And most of them happily endorse the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Palestine. We need to oust the Israelis as the fascists they are and make it clear that they do no speak for Jews in general and their fascist ideology is in direct contradiction to the values of Judaism. I am most worried for and most impressed by the few Jews in Israel that fight this fascist regime and get attacked and in return by it, while the West proclaims to stand for the fight against antisemitism by supporting the abuse of Jews who stand up for Jewish values.
And opposing those actions is not antisemitic.
We take those two things together as truth and we are getting somewhere.
It’s when that “criticism” is coupled with demands for Israels destruction and the ouster and/or murder of All of it’s Jews, then yes it is antisemitic. You show me a live “protest” against Israels actions, on film, anytime in the last 10 years, and I will make you wind that video long enough to show the From the River To the Sea, and Hamas banners, and the Jews are the New Nazis, in EVERY SINGLE “PROTEST” THAT HAS HAPPENED AND IS HAPPENING NOW
If you’re divorced from the reality of the antisemitism at the heart of the terrorism Israel has suffered, and are divorced from the antisemitism at the core of the Israel “protests” you’re only kidding yourself, and anyone who truly cares about peace
Everyone should get the chance to prove themselves an asshole.
Same for Americans. There are some good ones in there.
Actually Canadians are from a completely different country
Read from Israeli activists like Ilan Papé describe the Israeli society as a fascist supremacist society. they don’t care about the right of Palestinians to live freely on their land.
I’m not arguing that what you’re saying isn’t true, but what does it have to do with OP’s post?
Participating in the Israeli conquest and ethnic purge absolutely deserves hatred and disgust.
This goes well beyond the Israeli’s right most partisan faction and extends to the entire Zionist movement.
Look, taking OP’s context into account, it sounds like you’re saying that you hold ethnic hatred and disgust for Jews.
I am hoping that’s not what you’re saying here, but again, looking at OP’s meme, and your responses to it and to me, I honestly can’t reach any other conclusion.
you hold ethnic hatred and disgust for Jews
Is Zionism an ethnicity? Does that mean anti-Zionist Jews aren’t Jewish?
I honestly can’t reach any other conclusion
Reach harder
That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying that OP said that hatred of Jews isn’t justified, and you sound like you are disagreeing.
OP said that hatred of Jews isn’t justified
Conflating anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism is a right wing Israel talking point.
I thought we established that we don’t like them
I really wish this didn’t need to be clarified every few days. Thanks, zionists and white supremacists!
The current right wing government also doesn’t represent every citizen of Israel either, but it is ok to use ‘Israel’ as a shorthand for the actions of the current right wing government when the actions are a continuation of decades of similar colonialism and the government is in power due to how the majority of the population voted.
So hatred against everyone in Israel is also wrong, but saying Israel is committing genocide doesn’t require saying it is the current government.
This meme should say “The actions of Israel does not represent the will of all Jews,”
Edit: I expect everyone who down voted also refrains from using Russia, China, or the United States and other names of countries when making criticisms for consistency. “Russia didn’t invade Ukraine, the current Putin led government did.”
It happens to be the Israel government that claims anything hamas does should be taken out on all Arabs in Gaza.
It’s only fair to offer them the same privilege - you elect a government and they represent your country. What they do the people has to answer for.
Should I be allowed to vote for someone that say “we should exterminate all swedes” and not stand to answer for that when they get power and start killing swedes?
Not everyone voted for him you dipshit.
When trump got elected, did every american vote for him? Use your fucking brain.
doesn’t matter much as he got elected. He shouldn’t be stopped from power by vote - he should be unable to run.
You need to take responsibility for your laws and how your society works.
Trumps people seem to understand this and makes actual change to how the US works.
To me it seems they are making it worse, but there’s no revolt, so I’m guessing people accept it, even if not cheering.
I need to take responsibility for MY laws? I vote for the most left party available in my country. What do you want me to do? Walk into the presidents office and slap his ass across the room?
A ton of people are protesting. We are doing our best. The government is not like the little sloth operated office from zootopia. They will beat the fuck out of you and turn you into swiss cheese with bullets if you revolt.
I can’t fight a tank or an army.
Or do you think i get a letter in the mail for every law so i can vote for that specific one or deny it?
I don’t think you do. But you have resigned because what can you do than protest?
In time when you are pushed even further down into the shit your kids will figure it out. People always do, it just takes time to get to that level - and leave the humanity behind.
And it sure looks like it’s going to shit really fast - with 1700-era laws for guns and forcing women to be reproduction-machines without a voice. Especially as you didn’t have that much freedom in the first place.
