I hate how it’s all about ‘mental health awareness’ and ‘mental health positivity’ unless you have ASPD, BPD, NPD or are a compulsive liar.
As someone who has ASPD I hate how our society treats mental illnesses that aren’t considered wholesome like depression or autism.
Personality disorders aren’t like “regular” mental health disorders, because with most disorders, it’s the patient who suffers. With personality disorders, those suffering are usually the ones around the patient.
Apples & oranges still need tending. Besides, apples are full of cyanide and citrus are classified by their acid. Oh, and “cherry” flavor is modeled after the arsenic in the pits (yay for early-capitalist corner-cutting)
I haven’t seen these be treated ‘differently’ in my bubble, but I curate my bubble to be pretty inclusive. The line for me is where someone’s mental illness is starting to affect other people negatively. The whole, “Your mental illness is not your fault, but it is your responsibility.”
So when I see ‘compulsive liar’ in your list, I’m a little wary. Having compulsions isn’t wrong but if you’re habitually lying to other people, that’s going to lead to a loss of trust. That’s not ableism, it’s just the only reasonable way to protect yourself when someone consistently lies to you.
I’ve got my own plethora of mental illnesses and I’ve been the bad guy in someone else’s story, because I fucked up and let my mental illness become their problem, and it wasn’t right of me. So I hold other people to that standard.
I think the problem is that these issues cause problems for others. ADHD and autism cause problems GENERALLY for the autistic person. BPD people can be horrifically abusive. So yes they get more stigmatized. It sucks but really mental issues SHOULDN’T be stigmatized until it becomes problematic towards others.
Nah
Do you watch any television? Prime time sitcom plots are almost entirely based on making fun of people with undiagnosed mental illness
If you look at autism and ADD, it has taken over a decade of communication about what it is and how to interact with people with those conditions. Even then, there is still some ableism regarding those conditions.
I haven’t seen anywhere near that level of communication for what to do with people with those conditions.
This reminds me of a reddit thread I saw years ago that talked about pedophilia and how there are anonymous groups for people who realize that it’s wrong and want to be “cured”
But they have to hide and use complete anonymity, else their lives would be ruined
They’re people suffering from, in my opinion, a mental illness but cannot get help, and I find it quite tragic, actually
I agree with the last part of your post but I don’t like you comparing people who have cluster B personality disorders with pedophiles.
It was a comparable problem, not a comparable affliction, but I hear you. Part of why the world is so fucked up right now, in my opinion, is because we are so easily fixated on the subjects rather than the subject matter and it often derails the actual discussions we need to have. Not saying your wrong, just saying that kind of dissemination has been the bane of democracy lately. At least left leaning politics. They don’t have that messaging problem on the right.
The whole point of my thread was about how bad ableism is and you respond by comparing those with cluster B personality disorders to the worst thing there is. People with personality disorders are just people with a illness that can be helped but pedophiles are just irredeemable and pure evil. All the hate directed at them is completely warranted.
Okay then. I didn’t actually respond that way, and you saying your illness is valid and their isn’t is how we got to this point in the first place. I never compared the two, merely voiced an opinion about how you derailed your own argument by going “ew, gross” about another issue. That’s the way people feel about mental illness, so to say that about another oppressed group, for whatever reason, is disingenuous and how you only care about your specific problem and not the world at large.
Pedophiles are just people with an illness. Child abusers are irredeemable and pure evil. But not all pedophiles are child abusers (and for that matter, not all child abusers are pedophiles). Pedophilia is nothing more than an attraction. Some sufferers succumb to and act on that attraction, others seek psychological help to manage that attraction so that they don’t act on it.
This commenter was very obviously referring to the latter: those afflicted by pedophilia who are determined to keep themselves from acting on it, but face social challenges in finding psychological help.
Assaulting children is the worst thing there is. Being attracted to children is not the same thing as raping children. You’ve proven their point with your ignorance
You are completely wrong
Actually I think folks with ASPD are the worst, trash that should be discarded from society. /s
I think you’re confusing folks who have pedophilia with folks who act on it.
You’re probably right.
I do wanna say that as someone with autism, people do not treat it as wholesome in relationships. It’s definitely given a bit of leeway but in the grant scheme of things people will respect the idea of autism, but no one actually cares about what I deal with on a day-to-day basis and it sucks because people still get mad at you when they inevitably don’t realize a lot of things happen because of it.
I just have to assume a lot of people get used to the idea of mental disabilities, but they can not deal with them in person.
I see where your coming from. People think of autism as either the the wholesome smart kid syndrome or the annoying marriage ruiner syndrome. The way our society looks at mental health is that it’s either absolutely glorified or absolutely demonised and autism is unique as it’s seen as both.
I completely understand what your talking about. I have NPD/HPD myself and it’s never sat right with me that people who advocate for better understanding of mental health completely change when it comes to things that aren’t seen as something to be pitied like autism.
You also see it with things like schizophrenia or substance abuse.
While I do have sympathy with your argument, I also have two counter points:
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Autism isn’t considered “wholesome,” it is the subject of mockery and common insult, replacing “retard.”
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As someone with autism, people with the personality disorders you describe often try to target us for abuse. Fortunately for me, I was raised in an environment that I have a hard shell and fight back, but many aren’t so lucky.
"Autism isn’t considered “wholesome,” it is the subject of mockery and common insult, replacing “retard.”
Sometimes, it’s seen in a lot of ways. Using “autism” as an insult isn’t as common as it used to be. Nowadays people see autism as the “quirky” and “odd” condition.
“As someone with autism, people with the personality disorders you describe often try to target us for abuse.”
Don’t get me wrong cluster B personality disorders are awful but we shouldn’t demonize everyone who has them and assume everyone with a cluster B personality disorder is a monster.
“Fortunately for me, I was raised in an environment that I have a hard shell and fight back, but many aren’t so lucky.”
Hmm, ok. I was raised like that too.
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