• Travelers can opt out of facial recognition at US airports by requesting manual ID verification, though resistance or intimidation may occur.
  • Facial recognition poses privacy risks, including potential data breaches, misidentification, and normalization of surveillance.
  • The Algorithmic Justice League’s “Freedom Flyers” campaign aims to raise awareness of these issues and encourage passengers to exercise their right to opt out.
  • huginn@feddit.it
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    4 months ago

    You’re never going to live in a world where you’re allowed to fly without photo id amigo.

    • CyaL8r@lemmy.ml
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      4 months ago

      That’s not what the other user is saying - we have to fight to keep what rights we have, and maybe one day gain some of the ones we lost

      • kautau@lemmy.world
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        4 months ago

        Their message is correct but they’re mad at that “calm down” part and addressed it poorly

        User 1: if you fly using a passport, the government knows what you look like, whether or not you opt out of facial recognition, being a Karen at the airport won’t help with you

        User 2: Fuck that, if we are complacent, more privacy will be taken away from us

        User 3: You can’t fly without a photo id

        Seems to me the user you responded to knows what they are saying, and you’re both right. You don’t have a right to fly on an airplane without a legal verification of who you are. We should have a right to verify our identity without facial recognition software. But that happens with laws, not making scenes at airports

        • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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          4 months ago

          Honestly, we should have a right to fly w/o providing ID as well. I don’t need it to ride the bus or local train, and I don’t think I need it for a greyhound bus (if I pay w/ cash). I’ve heard you can maybe get away w/o ID on Amtrak, but their official policy says it’s required.

          So why are airplanes so different? Fatalities per mile on airplanes are among the lowest of any form of transportation, so I highly doubt terrorism is a significant, statistically relevant factor here. I think they do it because they can, not because it actually helps reduce risk in any meaningful way. I don’t see any basis for needing an ID for any form of mass transit, you should only need it for driving to prove that you have the privilege to do so.

          I really don’t understand why law enforcement is so infatuated with checking my ID…

    • Dave.@aussie.zone
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      4 months ago

      You’re never going to live in a world where you’re allowed to fly without photo id amigo

      Move to a different country.

      Eg in Australia I can book a domestic ticket and have two interactions after that:

      • x-ray/security where they scan my carry on
      • boarding at the gate where they scan my pass.

      No photo ID - or any ID really - needed. Now there’s enough dribs and drabs of information when I book the ticket and etc etc that they can identify me, but there’s nothing stopping someone from booking a ticket for someone else under their name.

      • GBU_28@lemm.ee
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        4 months ago

        Wait are you really arguing Australia as a privacy and security IMPROVEMENT on three rest of western countries?

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          4 months ago

          It sounds like it is an improvement for domestic flights. I don’t see anything that invalidates that argument…

    • ddh@lemmy.sdf.org
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      4 months ago

      Yes, but Cinnabon doesn’t need to scan my face while I’m there. Every little bit helps.

    • JayObey711@lemmy.world
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      4 months ago

      I don’t know but have you ever taken a domestic flight? Or even a Schengen one? Open border policy woks wonders for data security and also quality of life in general

    • SulaymanF@lemmy.world
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      4 months ago

      That’s a strawman, who said otherwise? Showing ID is one thing, storing your ID and tracking your trips is another.

        • SulaymanF@lemmy.world
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          4 months ago

          Is that what I said? No. Of course it can be and is tracked. But I’m not going to Hand over my biometrics and make it easier for them.

          • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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            4 months ago

            Exactly. If they need it, they can issue a lawful order, and that has certain prerequisites here in the US. I’m guessing international airports have special rules, but I’m only going to hand over what I’m legally obligated to and force them to dance around my 4th amendment rights or face a lawsuit.