Progressive Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) announced Wednesday that there are currently enough votes in the Senate to suspend the filibuster to codify Roe v. Wade and abortion rights if Democrats win control of the House and keep the Senate and White House.

“We will suspend the filibuster. We have the votes for that on Roe v. Wade,” Warren said on ABC’s “The View.”

She said if Democrats control the White House and both chambers of Congress in 2025, “the first vote Democrats will take in the Senate, the first substantive vote, will be to make Roe v. Wade law of the land again in America.”

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    Just for fun, I looked at the last 50 years to see WHEN they could have codified Roe. There were only 4 periods with dem trifectas:

    -1977-81 senate majority 6

    -1993-95 senate majorty 4

    -2009-11 senate majority 9 (10 for a month)

    -2021-23 senate majority 1

    The senate majority is the number of senators you could loose who didn’t want to get rid of the filibuster on this topic OR who were pro life (like Harry Reid, the senate majority leader from 2005 to 2017, though in the senate from 1987-2017)

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      The problem is the Dems have TWO conservative senators who refused to codify Roe. Joe Manchin and Kirsten Sinema both refused to suspend the filibuster.

      So we did NOT have a filibuster-proof majority 2021-2023.

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      There were only 4 periods with dem trifectas

      So ONLY 4 times when there was absolutely nothing standing in their way except themselves?

      That they don’t do what they promised on the rare occasions where they DO get the magic majorities they ask to get first isn’t exactly a good argument in their favor…

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        We got the ACA in the last one, and in the most recent one two Democrat senators defected to oppose it so it couldn’t go forward.

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          We got the ACA in the last one

          Which they negotiated into a giant giveaway to insurance companies with no price controls or other ways to limit profiteering. WITHOUT any Republicans forcing them to or even voting for the bill.

          two Democrat senators defected to oppose it so it couldn’t go forward.

          Yeah, there’s always a rotating villain or two who acts as a roadblock and scapegoat. So very convenient for a party that votes for legislation that their rich owner donors want much more often than legislation that the people at large want.

          Especially since the rotating villains are always heavily promoted by party leadership and paid more party funds for their campaigns than most other candidates.

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            The ACA, while not perfect, literally saved my life. It prohibits lifetime maximums and eliminated the idea of pre-existing conditions.

            Without that, I’d be dead.

            Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good.

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              This place is full of people who want to turn an aircraft carrier on a dime. They’ll never be happy with anything and it explains why their big ideas will never happen.

              They turn everyone off and discourage everyone because nothing is ever good enough. It would be one thing to be happy but not satisfied but even that isn’t enough.

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                I know.

                They have unrealistic expectations about how the world works and feel like anger, even if justified, should be enough.

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              the flaws in the ACA only exist cause follow up bills to patch the holes that came up after rollout couldnt be passed due to, you guessed it, republicans.

              cause republicans are against anything and everything that benefits the 99.9%

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                Indeed. Everyone tries to blame Democrats for, when they have the slimmest of majorities, for not doing everything, when there are literally 49 Republican senators out there who are the ones who are truly blocking progress.

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              I’m glad it saved your life and I am aware that it was an improvement over the former status quo.

              That being said, though, it’s inadequacies HAVE lead to the deaths of many, perhaps thousands or even hundreds of thousands, from not being able to afford treatment before it’s too late.

              Dems had a unique opportunity to save as many lives as possible, and they negotiated themselves down to a tiny step in the right direction and then pretended that it’s the best anyone could possibly do.

              It’s been over a decade and a half since they took that tiny step and they’re still resting on their laurels and vehemently opposing anyone who suggests that improvements are needed or even possible.

              Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good

              I’m so fucking tired of that lame argument for complacency.

              Incrementalism isn’t good. Taking a tiny step in the right direction and then declaring victory as the other party predictably makes it worse than it originally was as both parties gradually turn further and further right isn’t good.

              It’s throwing rare scraps to the starving masses from the banquets they throw for their owner donors, including the health insurance industry leeches that the ACA massively enriches.

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                Politics is about incremental progress, which is not sexy enough for you guys. If you want the revolution, go start it. Shit or get off the can. All this moral grandstanding is vacuous and meaningless

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                  Politics is about incremental progress

                  Because that’s what the powerful have decided for you, NOT because it’s the best way.

                  If you want the revolution, go start it. Shit or get off the can

                  “If you don’t like my favorite band, make better music yourself” 🙄

                  All this moral grandstanding is vacuous and meaningless

                  Yeah, expressing dissent should be for those with the power to change things themselves only. What a great idea! 🙄

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                    Just my opinion, but this is not expressing dissent: This is nihilistic apathy. Expressing dissent typically comes with a call to action or a plan. Being politically active is not the equivalent of starting your own band and the fact that that’s what you took from it is very telling. Again, if you’ve resigned yourself to what has been charted out by the powerful either shit or get off the can. This is just political apathy disguised as voicing dissent for edgy points.

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                That being said, though, it’s inadequacies HAVE lead to the deaths of many, perhaps thousands or even hundreds of thousands, from not being able to afford treatment before it’s too late.

                Yeah, but less people died than they would have if there was no ACA.

                Its terrible that people die in the country every day from healthcare issues that are taken care of by every other first world country on the planet.

                but god damn, sitting here saying shit like you are screams of nothing but impotent anti-ACA troll flailing.

                the ACA needs to have its holes patched, yes, but don’t sit here and pretend its not saving a fuckton of lives.