Weak sauce. I’ve denounced Israel multiple times. I’m dissapointed.

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Barf. Did you just finish reading Marx yesterday? Cringe

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Noooo please. Not that imbecile grifter…

Really? Because I can think of a thousand direct implications and ways in which people are affected.

Usually when discussing a heated topic (politics, gun control-take your pick) and trying to discuss the facts of the matter in a neutral manner but the response comes back with every phrase super charged with morally loaded words. Examples of a conversation I had recently (emphasis mine):

sure as hell isn’t PANDERING! What the fuck is wrong with you??

Typical apologist tactic

PRETENDING to care about the brutal slaughter of tens of thousands of innocent civilians

deflecting to your conspiracy theory

shows that YOU don’t care enough about Palestinian lives

It’s very pronounced on this site for some reason. I don’t know why.

Yea, I agree. That’s why I used the word discuss because when the debate-bro mindset kicks in you’re definitely dealing with an angsty teenager (also the constant invocation of logical fallacies).

Me too. But in my view they are not fully developed adults and still have some emotional intelligence left to grow.

For me personally the first tell is when they are morally loading every statement in an argument and are unable to engage with a topic directly. Adults should be able to discuss or debate certain topics on the value of the arguments alone without feeling pressured to include a declarative virtue signal in every clause.

DAE AMERICA LES BAD???

it almost seems you are missing the point on purpose

Welcome to every conversation w @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world

Saying that the awful things he does by choice is actually necessary things that he doesn’t like doing and would stop if he could

Thank goodness it wasn’t my argument.

the fact that presidents have the power to change longstanding foreign policy

correct. And my response was…? Let me restate it because maybe it wasn’t clear:

What a president can do and what a president ought to do in changing policy are two different things and bringing up the fact that change was able to occur in a place with low stakes (cuba: very low stakes) is not equivalent to the policy change that needs to occur in Israel (very high stakes). It’s not apples to apples, is it?

Also, at no point did I fucking defend Biden. I just called out your stupid analogy about Cuba. Seems like you just had all the insults ready to deploy and were never interested in the argument.

I’m not the one constantly loading every phrase with all the virtuous condemnation diarrhea because I can actually engage with arguments without attacking the character of the author.

Attack the idea-not the people.

no. its just you morally loading every statement so that you can grandstand. And you do it in almost every thread I’ve seen you in. Try, as an exercise, to sometime engage with someone’s arguments (just one time) without invoking any pejorative or dramatic virtuous invocations. You might find a new world is waiting for you- a wold where dialog can flow and thoughts can be exchanged. I’ll be waiting for you there when you’re ready.

more vacuous shit:

stop pretending that everything that your Dear Leader actively chooses not to do

Giving up on your principles

being needlessly submissive

are you a highschooler? Because that would explain a lot…

here is an example of your empty rhetoric:

sure as hell isn’t PANDERING! What the fuck is wrong with you??

Typical apologist tactic

PRETENDING to care about the brutal slaughter of tens of thousands of innocent civilians

deflecting to your conspiracy theory

shows that YOU don’t care enough about Palestinian lives

give me a fucking break.

I want lefties to be politically effective, but right now all we care about is empty rhetoric. You’re the prime example of that. Instead of being concerned with engaging and constructing good arguments, you spent half the time criticizing my motivations. Because that’s all we are amounting right now is living up to the meme of ‘hot’ air and no substance. So we come with asinine statements like:

Biden should just pause Israel because Obama was able to reverse Cuba

and the moment someone points how stupid this is you went straight to

WHY YOU LOVE GENOCIDE!!!

We gotta do better (and i don’t care if this sounds like tone policing). I’m sick of the fake moral indignation. I want people to start thinking about being politically effective and actually changing the discourse towards what can be accomplished.