‘We do not expect the officers to wait until they’re fired upon before they feel the necessity to fire’ Cincinnati Police Chief Teresa Theetge said of the incident
You’re so confident, just because it lines up with your favorite way to look at things, even though you have literally no idea what happened.
Confidence and easy answers that always point the same direction, that feel good and let you be righteous about what you’re saying, are alluring. They feel safe and solid, and people trust them. Be careful of that.
That’s not a video, that’s a screen grab. It looks like the video itself on the site only shows from the second officer’s camera, and fades out when the shooting starts. xor said they’d watched the video of the actual incident… but maybe they meant this video which doesn’t really show a damn thing. Am I missing something?
I mean maybe they are not releasing the first person video because it clearly shows the kid’s hands were empty or something, and the officer lied when he said the kid brandished his gun at him. I have no idea. This screen grab could be right after showing his hands empty, or this could be a frame from 0.2 seconds after the kid pointed his gun at the cop just like the cop said, or something in between.
Okay, so it sounds like you haven’t actually seen a video of the incident. You’ve seen a video of the dumpster and heard shots being fired as the screen turns grey. Good to know.
Nobody said he shot at the cops. The cops said he “brandished” his gun at the cops, which can mean a couple different things. I think if he’s running from the cops holding a gun, and there’s anything that could be in any wild scenario interpreted as intent to shoot the cops, then they can shoot him. That’s my feeling, others might disagree. But nobody as far as I can tell is saying he ever shot at the cops and I don’t feel they’re required to give him the first shot in this scenario. There is no reason at all to put a gun in your hand while running from the police other than that you plan on shooting them with it if it comes to it, and the cop’s job is to catch the guy, which means it’ll come to it.
I also wanted to watch the video to see if it was plausible that the cop planted the gun like you said. I doubt it. My guess is that, after the chaos of the shooting itself which might not show clearly what happened, there will be a clear uninterrupted shot from the killing to where the gun is clearly on the ground next to him or something. But maybe not, certainly cops have planted evidence or released selective bodycam footage before.
I have no idea why you’re so hostile to the idea of just finding out what happened. If the cops continue to not release the bodycam of the actual shooting, but just that single frame with a big black rectangle that someone could implausibly claim was the teenager pointing a gun at the cops (but is more likely a thermos or a compression artifact), then sure, that’s pretty strong circumstantial evidence that something fucked up happened.
What, the video that doesn’t show the relevant part of the shooting or the segment that includes the screengrab?
I thought maybe I was the weird one, so I went back and watched the whole thing just to make sure. No, it’s basically B-roll and the chief talking and the least relevant part of the incident. That’s it. The video tells you nothing at all about what happened.
See, this is what I was talking about.
You’re so confident, just because it lines up with your favorite way to look at things, even though you have literally no idea what happened.
Confidence and easy answers that always point the same direction, that feel good and let you be righteous about what you’re saying, are alluring. They feel safe and solid, and people trust them. Be careful of that.
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Where’s the video of this incident? I didn’t know it had been released.
It’s in the link they posted. Here’s the screen grab of where they shot him in the back.
That’s not a video, that’s a screen grab. It looks like the video itself on the site only shows from the second officer’s camera, and fades out when the shooting starts. xor said they’d watched the video of the actual incident… but maybe they meant this video which doesn’t really show a damn thing. Am I missing something?
I mean maybe they are not releasing the first person video because it clearly shows the kid’s hands were empty or something, and the officer lied when he said the kid brandished his gun at him. I have no idea. This screen grab could be right after showing his hands empty, or this could be a frame from 0.2 seconds after the kid pointed his gun at the cop just like the cop said, or something in between.
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Okay, so it sounds like you haven’t actually seen a video of the incident. You’ve seen a video of the dumpster and heard shots being fired as the screen turns grey. Good to know.
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Nobody said he shot at the cops. The cops said he “brandished” his gun at the cops, which can mean a couple different things. I think if he’s running from the cops holding a gun, and there’s anything that could be in any wild scenario interpreted as intent to shoot the cops, then they can shoot him. That’s my feeling, others might disagree. But nobody as far as I can tell is saying he ever shot at the cops and I don’t feel they’re required to give him the first shot in this scenario. There is no reason at all to put a gun in your hand while running from the police other than that you plan on shooting them with it if it comes to it, and the cop’s job is to catch the guy, which means it’ll come to it.
I also wanted to watch the video to see if it was plausible that the cop planted the gun like you said. I doubt it. My guess is that, after the chaos of the shooting itself which might not show clearly what happened, there will be a clear uninterrupted shot from the killing to where the gun is clearly on the ground next to him or something. But maybe not, certainly cops have planted evidence or released selective bodycam footage before.
I have no idea why you’re so hostile to the idea of just finding out what happened. If the cops continue to not release the bodycam of the actual shooting, but just that single frame with a big black rectangle that someone could implausibly claim was the teenager pointing a gun at the cops (but is more likely a thermos or a compression artifact), then sure, that’s pretty strong circumstantial evidence that something fucked up happened.
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What, the video that doesn’t show the relevant part of the shooting or the segment that includes the screengrab?
I thought maybe I was the weird one, so I went back and watched the whole thing just to make sure. No, it’s basically B-roll and the chief talking and the least relevant part of the incident. That’s it. The video tells you nothing at all about what happened.
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Okey dokey then.
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