• PhilipTheBucketOPA
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    Hey, quick question: Why did Russia swear before the invasion that they were not going to invade Ukraine, and any reports of that were just Western lies?

    Why did they change the goal from “denazification and demilitarization” to “we need to keep all this extra land on the border because it’s ours now and we’ll keep killing people until someone gives up and lets us have it”?

    The Russian line is always that Ukraine is lying, Russia is telling the truth, but there are important areas where you don’t even have to trust anybody to see that Russia was lying about something crucially important. What’s up with that?

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      I agree, if Russia was serious about denazification they would have come in to stop the pogroms against roma people and eastern Ukrainians much sooner. Trust me I have no love for the man, I just understand that the encroachment of NATO encirclement crossed SEVERAL red lines that the US had also promised not to cross already. Contrary to liberal beliefs the entire universe did not pop into existence last thursday.

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        Oh, other question: Is Russia’s current set of actions more likely to produce the result:

        • Everyone on their border relaxes about having to join NATO, definitely not going to join NATO now
        • Everyone on or near their border is interested in any defensive alliance they can get their hands on, trains actively to resist a Russian invasion, ideally tries to aim for nuclear weapons in the future

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        Since you’re right that Russia was totally just pushing back NATO encirclement, I feel like they must have achieved goal #1. Also their military has been showing it’s a hell of a force to be reckoned with. Obviously.

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          NATO has never been a “defensive alliance” its entire formation and purpose was to destroy communist movements and stifle their progress, also NATO was literally founded with a bunch of Nazis in high positions of power.

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            Yeah. But Russia isn’t communist though. NATO is just for stifling dissent from the US hegemony there’s no ideology beyond that.

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              I think that’s more an issue of the organization having achieved its original goal of destroying the Soviet Union but institutions like to continue to exist so they had to find another big bad to focus on.

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            Sounds good. Which result is this more likely to produce? I feel like maybe you meant to respond to someone else’s message, since you missed the question I asked in mine.

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        Hey, quick question: What happened when the US congress tripped over its own dick as it is wont to do and turned off the bullet spigot for 8-10 months? Did Ukraine stop fighting and say “Oh you’re right you can have all our land in the east and please accept our apologies if you want to take some more go right ahead?” I feel like they must have done that, since the US is the one insisting that they have to shoot back even though they really don’t want to (and why would anyone?). But I can’t remember it happening.

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          even though they really don’t want

          Correct, majority of civilians don’t want to keep fighting a pointless and unwinnable conflict. It is mostly forced conscription by their Nazi government that the US props up to continue feeding them into the meat grinder.

          Also the people in the east have a right to self determination and if they would rather be under Putin’s thumb than the thumb of the Azov aligned Ukrainian government that is their prerogative and it is showing your western chauvinism that you don’t clearly give a fuck about them.

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            Sounds good. What happened when they turned off the bullet spigot? I feel like maybe you meant to respond to someone else’s message here, since you missed the question I asked in mine.

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                Sounds good. How many bullets did Ukraine get between October 2023 and April 2024?

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                    Lol I like how Hexbear invented all these new terms like “sealioning” is when you ask someone why they think the bullshit thing they just said, provide some evidence, or “asking questions to highlight holes in the other person’s laughable charade of an argument” is somehow this horrible thing to do.

                    I actually didn’t know that was “JAQing off.” I thought that was the original Tucker Carlson thing, where you have some bullshit you think, and you ask whether it’s true as a way of implying it’s true, but then run and hide behind “I was just asking” if someone points out that it’s bullshit. I’m not sure if that is okay to do in Hexbear-world but that wasn’t what I was doing.

                    Meanwhile, you know what is a perfectly reasonable thing to do when someone disagrees with you on Hexbear? Ignore what they said, call them a “liberal” and send them a picture of a pig that shit on itself and high five all your friends. That’ll never get a special dismissive term for why it is a bad thing to do.

                    Oh, also, what percentage of Ukraine’s current military production is domestic right now? I know the percentage (It’s not quite as simple as the raw number would seem, for a couple of different reasons, but I’m curious if you know the number. You seem super confident otherwise.)