• grue@lemmy.world
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    10 hours ago

    They were hoping to provoke him into losing his temper in way they could point to as being him refusing peace. Trump wants to create a narrative to spin his allying with Russia as something other than a blatant unilateral betrayal, and Zelenskyy denied him that.

    (Don’t get me wrong: Trump will claim it anyway, but with even less credibility than he would have had if his bullying had been successful.)

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      9 hours ago

      Trump has been doing it to everyone else, just lie to the press about basic facts. Both Macron and Starmer managed to politely correct him without triggering Trump. Zelensky was trying to do the same, but Vance couldn’t shut his mouth and decided to try and show to Trump he was a good boy. And once it got to that stage, Zelensky couldn’t really back down.

      At least he’s awakened something in Europe now where everyone’s basically said they’ve got his back. He could probably get a better deal from Europe, because from what I’ve read the current deal has been described as worse than the Versailles treaty, which is probably not something you want to impose on a country that already has a bunch of armed Nazis running around in it.

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        Both Macron and Starmer managed to politely correct him without triggering Trump. Zelensky was trying to do the same, but Vance couldn’t shut his mouth and decided to try and show to Trump he was a good boy.

        Well, yeah: why else did you think they added Vance? Trump is getting too old and tired for his bullying to be effective enough on its own, so they sent in his minion to make sure the job got done.

        You say “Vance couldn’t shut his mouth” as if you think this was some kind of mistake or gaffe on his part, but no. Vance did exactly what he meant to do, on purpose. Or at least tried his damnedest, even if he wasn’t completely successful in getting Zelenskyy to take the bait.