I was just typing up a post earlier this morning about my alarm about well-intentioned “let’s abandon everything in power that isn’t the Republicans, what’s the worst that could happen” YouTube videos.
You can work for a worker’s rights party, without selling out AOC and Bernie Sanders to go to the Gitmo camp.
Are they saying that? I mean if we’re building a new movement, stopping innocent people from getting gulag’d should be a top priority.
But it seems increasingly clear that the Democratic Party is in the process of failure and maybe even collapse and that does raise a question of where do we go from here?
I personally would like to see a grassroots movement that is more focused on direct resistance than electoralism but that’s just me.
It’s hard for me to read “idgaf about the duopoly” as any way other than inclusive of “let’s abandon the Democrats”, which in this climate, will mean those Democrats going into camps in the medium-term future, setting a strong precedent which can also be used against any worker’s party long before it manages to get started. “First they came for” and all that.
I do very much agree with you that the actual solutions are going to need to come from outside the Democrats. That doesn’t mean that it’s unimportant having a voice inside the government, or being united with the elements of it that want to unite with the people.
(That last bit meaning, maybe Chuck Schumer/Hakeem Jeffries/Nancy Pelosi aren’t first on the Christmas list even if I am still also against them going into Gitmo.)
I personally would like to see a grassroots movement that is more focused on direct resistance than electoralism but that’s just me.
I think it has to be both. Well… actually, that used to be true, I think “electoralism” is likely to be mostly useless by the time the midterms roll around, so it will have to be only grassroots. Not as a matter of strategy, but just as the new reality.
It just to be that voting made some level of difference but wasn’t enough. You may now, though, get your wish, and “electoralism” may be going away, and you can have experience with how much more fun and easy it is to effect changes to government without having a formal system for it however corrupted that system was in practice.
As far as I can tell, achieving actual changes within this system, that do not lead to humanity’s near term death, is quite literally impossible. They are burning this bitch down. It’s not how I would have done it, but it’s done. There is no saving the USA from this. Nothing will be going back to “normal.” The rules by which our country has functioned have been so thoroughly trampled, they are unrecognizable. We are in for such a hellish future, that nearly any method of changing course is justified.
My point being, I think it’s very naive to expect ANY change for the better to come about without significant bloodshed.
Idk about you, but idgaf about the duoply anymore. I’m ready for the workers’ rights party. Let’s reset the whole fucking thing.
I was just typing up a post earlier this morning about my alarm about well-intentioned “let’s abandon everything in power that isn’t the Republicans, what’s the worst that could happen” YouTube videos.
You can work for a worker’s rights party, without selling out AOC and Bernie Sanders to go to the Gitmo camp.
Are they saying that? I mean if we’re building a new movement, stopping innocent people from getting gulag’d should be a top priority.
But it seems increasingly clear that the Democratic Party is in the process of failure and maybe even collapse and that does raise a question of where do we go from here?
I personally would like to see a grassroots movement that is more focused on direct resistance than electoralism but that’s just me.
It’s hard for me to read “idgaf about the duopoly” as any way other than inclusive of “let’s abandon the Democrats”, which in this climate, will mean those Democrats going into camps in the medium-term future, setting a strong precedent which can also be used against any worker’s party long before it manages to get started. “First they came for” and all that.
I do very much agree with you that the actual solutions are going to need to come from outside the Democrats. That doesn’t mean that it’s unimportant having a voice inside the government, or being united with the elements of it that want to unite with the people.
(That last bit meaning, maybe Chuck Schumer/Hakeem Jeffries/Nancy Pelosi aren’t first on the Christmas list even if I am still also against them going into Gitmo.)
I think it has to be both. Well… actually, that used to be true, I think “electoralism” is likely to be mostly useless by the time the midterms roll around, so it will have to be only grassroots. Not as a matter of strategy, but just as the new reality.
It just to be that voting made some level of difference but wasn’t enough. You may now, though, get your wish, and “electoralism” may be going away, and you can have experience with how much more fun and easy it is to effect changes to government without having a formal system for it however corrupted that system was in practice.
As far as I can tell, achieving actual changes within this system, that do not lead to humanity’s near term death, is quite literally impossible. They are burning this bitch down. It’s not how I would have done it, but it’s done. There is no saving the USA from this. Nothing will be going back to “normal.” The rules by which our country has functioned have been so thoroughly trampled, they are unrecognizable. We are in for such a hellish future, that nearly any method of changing course is justified.
My point being, I think it’s very naive to expect ANY change for the better to come about without significant bloodshed.