Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy called for the creation of a unified European military force, saying the continent must be self-reliant amid a persistent threat from Russia and uncertainty about U.S. support – a situation he described as “this new reality.”
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NATO is effectively dead. Artifle 5 wont be honored by America. And the Alliance has trojan horses in it like Hungary under Fidesz.
Time for a new alliance.
Im writing tihs with the expectation that in my lifetime, the US is going to attack my country (Canada). The silence has been deafening on the American Jingoistic / imperialist talk in regards to us.
And please, this time make it possible to eject someone in peacetime with a 3/4 or 2/3 vote.
We’ll see what happens. Unfortunately the Europeans don’t have the same cultural affinity as we do and seem a bit behind on understanding the situation.
I don’t know about that. What if Poland goes right wing Russian for a single election. Gets ejected. Russia invades Poland. Then what? If you are then going to protect them, there was no point to the ejection.
IMO it needs to be a permanent union to be strong. Like the United States after the Civil War.
If you are then going to protect them, there was no point to the ejection.
The point would be they can’t vote on things during that period, and you have the option not to defend them. As it is, with no ejection mechanisms, we’re seriously talking about NATO invading itself now.
IMO it needs to be a permanent union to be strong. Like the United States after the Civil War.
It’s funny choice of example in light of the US being the problem here. That being said, it was after that point a country and not a supranational organisation. They had a federal government with direct elections, and when states got out of line they could and did federalise the local national guard.
What an idea, a military coalition to deter Russia from its worst impulses. I’m surprised nobody thought of this 75 years ago.
Now we also need one to deal with the US’s worst impulses at the same time.
In fairness, this seems equally effective against an increasingly hostile US
There were ideas for a joint European military relatively shortly after WW2. The project ultimately failed after nationalists won an election in France and wanted nothing to do with it.
Nationalism and doing things against the interest of the nation, name a more iconic duo.
Almost as if all the flag waving were just a distraction from them working for their personal self interest…
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You got a link to this fanfic?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_establishing_the_European_Defence_Community
As an aside: Researchin' the GPTs be loik
We need three things to build real military power in Europe.
- France must put its nuclear capabilities at the service of the whole.
- France must put its permanent seat at the UN at the service of the whole
- The whole must create a power that is sufficiently centralised and at the same time representative of the European people and their interests.
If you see this as viable, this option is viable. I choose to believe that all of this is an opportunity to make it happen.
Id say that the UK also needs to remove their heads from their asses and realise that they are part of Europe and act accordingly. Their ego over their past empire is poisoning them slowly. They are too powerful for Europe to not have but too weak to truly stand on their own.
As an Englishman, I’m still cursing the puppets who voted leave. It was mostly based on lies and half truths. A lot of us want back in to Europe. We just need to figure out how to clean house and make sure people understand what we are (re)gaining.
In the world that’s coming, we need to stand as a united front.
United Kingdom does not want to be part of the EU, and obviously we will not force them, if one day they change their minds they will be welcome but in the meantime the others cannot continue waiting and we must move now, now, without delay
Brexit was the product of russian disinformation and social engineering. The margin was laughably small and Scotland was 60% in favour of remaining (anti immigration propaganda didn’t address the massive numbers of English people already in Scotland). Most people in England would vote to rejoin at this point though.
Ok, I am delighted to hear that, vote the rejoin, in EU we will be happy to negotiate adhesion, but it does not seem something that can be resolved in weeks and the military union should occur in that type of deadline
Brexit was caused by British exceptionalism. The people who wanted to leave wanted to leave because they thought UK is so great that it could bend the EU. People who didn’t want to leave did so because they believed UK already had a good deal with the EU (and they did) because the UK is so great. Polling data backs that up because if you start asking about making “concessions” to rejoin the EU that “Yes” to rejoin turns into “I’d rather not”.
REFV2. If tomorrow there were another referendum on EU membership, how do you think you would vote?
- Stay out of the EU - 39%
- Rejoin the EU - 61%
EURO. Would the requirement to adopt the Euro as currency change your decision to rejoin the EU if you would vote to rejoin?
- I would still want the UK to rejoin the EU if adopting the Euro was a requirement - 35%
- I would not want the UK to rejoin the EU if adopting the Euro was a requirement - 9%
- I would only want to rejoin the EU if we were able to keep Sterling as our currency - 14%
- Would vote to stay out - 39%
- goes against anti proliferation treaties, and 2., while desirable, is not directly related to the matter at hand.
Some people would rather bow to fucking USA administration than spend tax dollars (or euros) on military. Are you German by any chance?
- The treaty recognizes France as a nuclear power, a European army with France inside could easily argue as “heir” of that right.
- A first -order power, with true military intervention capacity in a global way, has to be able to block decisions at the UN, another thing is to remain in second. That is matter in hand, play with the elderly
Yes yes yes and yes.
We should also have boots on the ground in Ukraine IMO. This madness must stop and it’s not the american clowns that ate going to do it. Next step for them will be to lift the sanctions.
You can already go there and join their foreign legion, actually it’s been 3 years for you to have your boots on the ground. The fact that you are here and not there means you and those upvoting you want someone else to die for your militaristic fantasies while you chill in the comments.
I’m sure I’d be a major asset to the foreign legion with my flat feet, sleep apnea and ADHD 😂
What an incredible stupid take.
We should also have boots on the ground
So that ‘We’ means ‘other people’?
Do you think boots on the ground means people travelling all alone up to the warzone by themselves?
You’re just trolling.
No, but it is very easy to volunteer other people’s boots.
We’re a sacrifice he’s willing to make.
Ukraine:
could y’all for me do at minimum something?
rest of world:
mmmaybeee…
I think it would be best to go to a world before 2014 and stop the occupation of Crimea. That would stop all parasites like Putin to get any ideas.
So build a time machine.
Or a big f. army.
Probably going to need a Eurasian army to take on Oceania and Eastasia.
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Donald Trump is going to see this as a direct threat to national security and will preemptively attack the netherlands
And rename it hisland.
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1- based on more reputable source :
Zelenskyy: ‘The time has come’ for a European army – POLITICO and,
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Ok, but is that not what Nato is meant to be?
NATO is mainly a tool of US power projection in Europe cosplaying as a defensive alliance against Russia.
Now with a Russian puppet sitting in the White House another time (and possibly for good), this concept isn’t worth the paper the North Atlantic Treaty is written on.
How would you implement a defensive alliance against russia without say US troops in the Baltic nations?
By the fucking EU getting its shit together. But unfortunately, the EU is infiltrated by a bunch of corrupt “transatlanticist” US bootlickers, who have been stalling the EU becoming a power that could hold its own without the US.
Don’t forget the russian asslickers
They, at least so far, haven’t had as much power as the US asslickers, except in a handful of countries. Also they have been generally understood as being a problem, while the US bootlickers have been largely applauded and celebrated.
Control of NATO’s military is under direct control of the most unstable member.
It just a nice way of saying we should distance from US.
A trick for politicians to talk about it trough media and countries without talking about US, like who else think this…. It would be Germany and France that would have to be the prime drive so is really for political persons there.
I’m from Denmark so really to small to do anything, but I think we would be ready to take quite a big step away from US towards Germany. The negative impact of the last few weeks are hard to explain but I think we lost trust in the US as a people not just a few persons.Definitely don’t trust the US population, we’re pretty much all stupid and selfish.
Oh. We dont. We’re about 10 years past expecting Americans to do anything other than burn and destroy out of spite
The US as a whole country doesn’t make sense, It shouldnt exist as one nation, its obvious collectively that they hate the world, and they hate each other. The only reason for its existence is to countrer the Monolith of China. and with the US stabbing its supposed allies in the back, using Jingoistic, and Imperialist talk. China is looking like the stable and sensible option now.
This is what happens when you dont kill the Nazis. the fucking CCP becomes the more appealing option.
China seems to be reasonable, which is what you want with a partner. Obviously they are not an ally to anyone in the west, but they act in a predictable way. Seems refreshing these days.
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Poland needs to give Germany a couple of kicks in the arse, “go, rearm, no we don’t mind you having a strong military we mind you not having one let’s go kick Russian asses”. France has been anti-atlanticist for basically ever, they’re the ones constantly pushing for European strategic autonomy. I believe in Poland. They’re Slavs, they can get a rusty motor running.
Sounds good but it will ultimately turn into another U.N or NATO that doesn’t actually do anything, just eats up money while they argue and veto and nothing happens
Nooooo it should be the other way around!!! Dissolve armed forces because we don’t have wars anymore!!!
