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If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.
The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
My local authorities insist that my kids are safe after this school shooting due to the gun detection AI that failed to detect gun used in the school shooting.
https://old.reddit.com/r/nashville/comments/1ik36m6/antioch_high_teachers_speak_out_demand/
A long time ago when the whole “should we cctv everything” idea was new and controversial I recall an interview or something with a london police chief, at the time the most cctved city. He admitted that cctv didnt help them stop crime or catch more criminals. He still wanted more cctv though. I think about that every now and then when there is another ‘our surveillance tech actually does not work but we want more of it’ story
a phrase to make your skin crawl right off:
Lighthaven cuddle puddle
And after that shot, a chaser:
Is the Dark Enlightenment actually fascist? Not at all. It’s probably the least fascistic strain of political thought today, though this requires understanding what fascism really is, which the word itself now obscures. Is it racist? Perhaps. The term is so malleable that it’s hard to say with clarity.
“is this ideological project which has directly incentivised burning books and harming atypicals the same as the fascist projects which did the same? the answer may surprise you!”
weirdly early for the revisionist PR to start, though, they’re barely done setting shit on fire
You could question how much the current setting on fire, as in a funny way the nrx creepy nerd Vance has been sidelined by jocky Musk. (I know Thiel helped in getting employees for doge so it doesnt totally fit, but just lol at nrx being benched like this). (Yes, I’m leaning a bit on the jock/creep thing here)
this is the least fascist strain of political thought. and everybody knows. everybody knows. sometimes, this happened twice, maybe more, I have men come up to me, big strong men with tears in their eyes, and they say, mr president, we’ve never seen a strain of thought less fascist
the axe is bundled inside of cut-down pool noodles!
The dark enlightenment is not fascist nor racist is one of those things you can only say if you just started reading up on them, remember the dark enlightenment map from 2013 (on rationalwiki, on the nrx page) contains quite a few open racists/fascists, the worst of all was heartiste, who posted like he was on stormfront (but really overcompensating for being lonely). Also hbd and ethno nationalists.
Also cery easy to go, nah it isnt fascist/racist and then not give definitions.
the post itself is a good showcase of certain parts of fascist ideology. might write it up
Penny Arcade weighs in on deepseek distilling chatgpt (or whatever actually the deal is):
“Wow, this Penny Arcade comic featuring toxic yaoi of submissive Sam Altman is lowkey kinda hot” is a sentence neither I nor any LLM, Markov chain or monkey on a typewriter could have predicted but now exists.
Somebody pointed out that HN’s management is partially to blame for the situation in general, on HN. Copying their comment here because it’s the sort of thing Dan might blank:
but I don’t want to get hellbanned by dang.
Who gives a fuck about HN. Consider the notion that dang is, in fact, partially to blame for this entire fiasco. He runs an easy-to-propagandize platform due how much control of information is exerted by upvotes/downvotes and unchecked flagging. It’s caused a very noticeable shift over the past decade among tech/SV/hacker voices – the dogmatic following of anything that Musk or Thiel shit out or say, this community laps it up without hesitation. Users on HN learn what sentiment on a given topic is rewarded and repeat it in exchange for upvotes.
I look forward to all of it burning down so we can, collectively, learn our lessons and realize that building platforms where discourse itself is gamified (hn, twitter, facebook, and reddit) is exactly what led us down this path today.
Somewhat related I was thinking about how different this blog post from a DOGE “employee” reads during Elon Musks coup attempt: https://vinay.sh/i-am-rich-and-have-no-idea-what-to-do-with-my-life/ – it was discussed here but no one really knew what was coming at the time.
There’s also a youtube video which has been popping off on social media over the last week and is a gentle introduction to techno-fascists for the general public.
wow the sanewashing of trump in those threads is insane
d’ya…d’ya think they’ll make it all the way along the path, to the realization?
no
The ones who walk towards Omelas. (And Omelas is fine actually, you damn hippy).
“Why Don’t We Just Kill the Kid In the Omelas Hole” by Isabel J. Kim
Finally it turns out torturing the kid was unnecessary and spreading out the suffering would have worked fine. All Omelas had to do was raise their income tax a little bit.
Pivot to AI: Amy is retiring! Probably! yes my cowriter has heard the call of revolution and will be having full and frank debates in the marketplace of ideas. WIth sweet reason.
Send her my thanks for her service! o7
apparent list of forbidden words in nsf grants
https://elk.zone/mathstodon.xyz/@sc_griffith/113947483650679740
Apparently “Trauma” is banned. That’s going to be a problem.
This is what happens when you give power to bigoted morons.
Note: They’re all problems. Just “Trauma" is kind of extra-important because of its use as a medical term.
Trauma surgery, Barotrauma, Traumatic Brain Injury, Penetrating Trauma, Blunt Trauma, Abdominal Trauma, Polytrauma, Etc.
Victim and Unjust are also there, which lawyers prob love to never be able to use.
I don’t think “victim” is really a word that’s even used especially much in “woke” (for a lack of a good word) writing anyway. Hell, even for things like sexual violence, “survivor” is generally preferred nomenclature specifically because many people feel that “victim” reduces the person’s agency.
It’s the rightoid chuds who keep accusing the “wokes” for performative victimhood and victim mentality, so I suppose that’s why they somehow project and assume that “victim” is a particularly common word in left-wing vocabulary.
Good point, had not even thought of that. Shows how badly they are at understanding the people they are against. Reminds me how they went, a while back going after the military for actually reading the ‘woke’ literature. Only the military was doing it explicitly so they would understand their enemies, so they could stop them.
I’m not sure lawyers file for many NIH grants, but “victim" probably comes up in medical/science research. Pathology would be one possibility.
A quick pubmed search finds NIH such supported research as:
"In 2005 the genome of the 1918 influenza virus was completely determined by sequencing fragments of viral RNA preserved in autopsy tissues of 1918 victims”
Insights on influenza pathogenesis from the grave. 2011, Virus Research
"death of the child victim”
Characteristics, Classification, and Prevention of Child Maltreatment Fatalities. 2017 Military Medicine
Etc
I was already assuming the pc word list would spread to other subjects.
"Gender Neural”
That typo is probably going to screw a lot of Neuroscience grants just because it’ll match on some dumb regex.
Also, apparently Hispanic and Latino people don’t exist?
“De <space> colonized” is also on there, that will give some interesting problems when automated filters for this hit Dutch texts (De means the).
E: there are so many other words on there like victim, and unjust, and equity, this will cause so many dumb problems. And of course if you go on the first definition of political correct (‘you must express the party line on certain ideas or be punished’) they created their own PC culture. (I know pointing out hypocrisy does nothing, but it amuses me for now).
looking for advice/suggestions:
anyone seen anything yet (uBlock ruleset, {tamper,grease}monkey scripts, etc) that can block the “talk to our prompt” widgets that have started showing up on too many fucking webpages? I’m getting sick of the things, and I haven’t really yet found an exhaustive list of this shit from which to build up a list
@froztbyte @dgerard you have an example of those?
of things I’ve found in the space that do address this somewhat includes this (a list of domains of either explicitly full of slop or heavily supporting slop)
brave supposedly has something as well but, well, it’s brave so it’s a non-starter
this is a now-archived project that maintained a list of chat widgets
regarding instances of widgets, off the top of my head some places where I’ve seen chat prompts unhelpfully placed: pluginboutique.com, hetzner.com, most aws doc and product pages (“Explainer”). I think hydro.run also had some trash popping up (I have a block for it), but can’t recall under which section
(DDG also pops some up constantly unless you have the cookies set, but that fails in fresh browser instances)
courtesy of 404media: fuck almighty it’s all my nightmares all at once including the one where an amalgamation of the most aggressively mediocre VPs I’ve ever worked for replaces everything with AI and nobody stops them because tech is fucked and the horrors have already been normalized
Minor note, but Musk wears that jacket everywhere, even at a suit and tie dinner with Trump. I don’t get how Trump (if my assumptions on him wanting to be seen as a certain type of having class/higher society type) stands him. Looking at the picture, he might be having second thoughts all the time.
I bet that jacket is some super-nerdy thing that William Gibson once mentioned in a book
@gerikson He probably bought it BECAUSE Gibson wrote about it in a novel and he thinks it makes him look cool and special.
Is that a Members Only jacket?
“Both what I’ve seen, and what the administration sees, is you all are one of the most respected technology groups in the federal government,” Shedd told TTS workers. “You guys have been doing this far longer than I’ve been even aware that your group exists.”
(emphasis mine)
Well, maybe start acting like it champ.
So the far right people are already infighting each other with disinformation. Now they are accusing others of being part of the USAID thing. See this tweet by I,hypocrite (lporiginalg) (Note the guy is a bad guy (an anti-Semite for example), so this is fasc on fasc action).
"So let me get this straight…
Vaush
Aella
Richard Hanania
James Lindsay
Were all funded by USAID? WHO ELSE?
<community note pointing out this isn’t true>"
They are coming for you Aella, hope you have an exit strategy (Just saying: Publicly burning bridges, and dropping the chatlogs of others would create a lot of goodwill on the anti-fascist side, and would be a good first step in rebuilding trust with some people (even if for a lot this cannot be regained)).
Perhaps using a lot of lying shitheads to get political clout is a bad idea, as even when you are in power, they will not stop lying (and being shitheads).
Evergreen reaction image.
Basically this is the usual battle between the literal neo-nazi antisemites and the more mainstream fascists who’ve pivoted from virulent antisemitism to anti-muslim racism and support for Israel (but that won’t stop them from having a go at the (((globalists))) every other day). Fun for all.
Yeah very much whoever wins we lose. We should just build a large trebuchet and fire them all into the sun. But sadly the gov does nothing.
The gov is currently just another faction of the fash infighting.
Thankfully im not American. Checks Dutch news ow fuck our fasc is also infighting
Yeah, thankfully little happening here, too. Checks Finnish news oh, apparently a cop guarding the president’s house killed himself in November. Also some expert’s “this kind of Muskian coup could not happen here because that would be illegal” shirt is raising questions already answered by his shirt.
Well here thankfully the fight is over (today it was, tomorrow it will be something else, no wait our fasc doesn’t work the weekends, monday it will be) the crisis of not having enough prison cells, which they wanted to fix by letting people with sentences of less than a year out 2 weeks earlier. Which caused a rift between the party ‘member’(*) who wanted to do it and the fuhrer Wilders (whos negative reaction on this was published via twitter of course).
*: Technically Wilders party has only one member, Wilders.
new class of kook just dropped
existing class of kook - hooks into the Zizians
how do you reckon? not sure I directly see the overlap (and while admittedly I haven’t gotten to dive full depth on the zizians, the bits I did get to so far struck me as what would happen if adolescent spock became a logical extremist)
I was struck by the outright “hey we’ve got cult camp” kitted out in whatever-the-fuck they’ve done to (one of the strands of?) buddhism while also pitching this on-surface as “people are cyborgs now”
although it did remind me of how much buddhist and related reading+pondering I saw in the postrat scenes, and now I’m wondering if that’s a thing that I missed in others of this before
Buddhist thinking has always been a big undercurrent (at least compared to the rest of the western world) in the hacker/computer science world, so doesnt have to come from anything LW related.
it’s above-baseline among the tpots (at least relative to other areas I’ve observed it)
Compared to the hacker baseline that is odd indeed.
so there’s a whole network of specifically Thiel-associated SF tech guys who are into particular churches
do these kooks follow single inheritance or multiple inheritance rules? I’m a bit more worried about the latter
lol, multiple
This community is for those willing to bring wisdom and compassion into the world. It is not for those easily duped by what they find in their minds or online.
no red flags there
It is not for those easily duped by what they find in their minds or online.
fuck I hate when my own brain dupes me into getting on the internet
1990s dialup: barely only once
Slate says: “For the Love of God, Stop Profiling This Couple!”
The Collinses are ineffective, abusive industry plants from Peter Thiel’s extended circle. They know they’re entirely media creations. They play off that fact to ensure that journalists never follow up on how many initiatives they’ve started and abandoned, neglect to interrogate their contradictory stances on issues like abortion and “race science,” and even seem to accept that they’re openly being taken for a ride by these dorks. Yet in spite of it all, no one listens to their podcast, they don’t really have much of a following, and their specific appeal is concentrated to a few far-right circuits.
i still can’t get over how they look
like why the fuck would you wear glasses like those
was there even a point in time where this was fashionableWest Coast of USA, late 2000s to early 2010s, yes, the thick squared dark eyeglass frames were popular. Every time I see photos of these folks, I’m reminded of a couple people I know IRL as well as folks I know professionally who still prefer the thicker frames. Personally, I’ve always needed a very heavy prescription, and so I’ve always looked for the thinnest frames, but it really was a trend a decade ago.
glasses are a fine kink! i guess those ones are a specialist taste
Headline photo is actually a jump-scare
Fun fact, I looked at that article. And my monitor exploded. No joke. I was in sudden darkness, and the mains were turned off. Pc survived thankfully, and I have a secondary monitor but lol wtf. (I need to go to bed).
Maybe your monitor was trying to protect you
Rest of my electronics have survived so very likely. Guess it got confused as I’m also looking for new glasses and went "dont pick one of those*
my bad, I was working on the awful.systems psychic energy collector and it must have backlashed
Damn you! Still a monitor from 2008, it had a good run.
In the new Washington Post profile, Malcolm implies that he “engineered the scene” because “he knew smacking his kid would draw attention, help the article go viral and get their message out.”
How does beating your kid for clicks make anything better!? You still beat your two year old kid!
He’s obviously lying to try to pretend he’s some media mastermind rather than a cult member/cult leader.
Dear acausal robot God, that was cathartic. Refreshing to see a mainstream journalist see through techbro weirdo uwu smol bean antics for what they are, especially after so many credulous puff pieces.
This includes the Guardian (twice), the Wall Street Journal, the Philadelphia Inquirer, CBC News, Business Insider, Bloomberg, and Dallas Magazine, among many, many others. My industry peers very clearly want me to know about these people—a lot about them!
I knew that a couple of outlets had done profiles of them lately, but I didn’t realize they were attention whoring this hard. Maybe their thing isn’t a breeding kink after all, but exhibitionism.
I also didn’t know about the child abuse, though I could have seen it coming without subjecting myself to two Grauniad bits on these fuckers1.
And then there’s the slap. The most notable aspect of the Guardian’s May 2024 profile—which, again, profiled them twice in the same year—was a moment when Malcolm slaps his son in the face, in public, after the then-2-year-old accidentally bumped into a table, leaving the boy “whimpering.” To her credit, reporter Jenny Kleeman didn’t let this go, forcing the couple to defend this punishment.
1: Don’t even know if “fucker” is appropriate here given these bougie failchildren are apparently opting for IVF for the actual baby making part.
I think the first Guardian article had some value, just because the reporter hung around the Collinses long enough that they indicted themselves through their own actions and words. Whether that outweighs giving two eugenicists a platform to tell people about their beliefs is difficult to judge.
Iirc, whatshisface defended himself by claiming that black parents were more likely to hit their kids, therefore it was racist to criticise him for doing so
at long last, we have found genai use case
result: decisive chinese cultural victory
So they’ve brought about the basilisk, but it’s not all-powerful, it’s Dr. Sbaitso and it’s powered by forest fires.
+6 culture generation for each person gooning under a portrait of xi jinping. china’s borders will expand quickly
ah yes, content from the well-known community mod
Cursid Meier
He who controls the goons controls the universe. No wait that is only in EVE online.
Today in “propaganda I didn’t think I needed to worry about” - Cybertruck kids books!
And another one! This one actually has a good title in “The Ugly Truckling” and I’m legitimately mad as the father of a truck-obsessed child that it’s wasted here.
I have some songs for your truck obsessed child (possibly NSFW)
one of the most annoying things about writing for a US audience is they’re fucking illiterate and alluding to books confuses them
wanna grab editors by the throat and go “JUST WHAT THE FUCK WERE YOU PEOPLE EVEN DOING IN HIGH SCHOOL”
actual example from today: “who the hell is Fagin never heard of him”
So cards on the table here, I’ve never actually read Oliver Twist. But even neo-google is able to point me at enough useful details to get enough of a gist to follow it.
And that’s assuming you don’t pick it up from Wishbone, the animated talking dogs version , or the muppets parody that I’m sure exists somewhere.
I never read it but somehow absorbed bits from the ambient culture. Might have watched a version at some point.
Age may be part of it. I’m 53. Perhaps Oliver Twist stuff was more visible in US culture in the 70s and 80s than it was later.
The Dickens parody in Ulysses* was enough for me to ensure I will never, ever read him lol. Though really his work is the sort of stuff that’s fairly easy to absorb via cultural osmosis. So many Christmas Carol cartoons!
*
Meanwhile the skill and patience of the physician had brought about a happy accouchement. It had been a weary weary while both for patient and doctor. All that surgical skill could do was done and the brave woman had manfully helped. She had. She had fought the good fight and now she was very very happy. Those who have passed on, who have gone before, are happy too as they gaze down and smile upon the touching scene. Reverently look at her as she reclines there with the motherlight in her eyes, that longing hunger for baby fingers (a pretty sight it is to see), in the first bloom of her new motherhood, breathing a silent prayer of thanksgiving to One above, the Universal Husband. And as her loving eyes behold her babe she wishes only one blessing more, to have her dear Doady there with her to share her joy, to lay in his arms that mite of God’s clay, the fruit of their lawful embraces. He is older now (you and I may whisper it) and a trifle stooped in the shoulders yet in the whirligig of years a grave dignity has come to the conscientious second accountant of the Ulster bank, College Green branch. O Doady, loved one of old, faithful lifemate now, it may never be again, that faroff time of the roses! With the old shake of her pretty head she recalls those days. God! How beautiful now across the mist of years! But their children are grouped in her imagination about the bedside, hers and his, Charley, Mary Alice, Frederick Albert (if he had lived), Mamy, Budgy (Victoria Frances), Tom, Violet Constance Louisa, darling little Bobsy (called after our famous hero of the South African war, lord Bobs of Waterford and Candahar) and now this last pledge of their union, a Purefoy if ever there was one, with the true Purefoy nose. Young hopeful will be christened Mortimer Edward after the influential third cousin of Mr Purefoy in the Treasury Remembrancer’s office, Dublin Castle. And so time wags on: but father Cronion has dealt lightly here. No, let no sigh break from that bosom, dear gentle Mina. And Doady, knock the ashes from your pipe, the seasoned briar you still fancy when the curfew rings for you (may it be the distant day!) and dout the light whereby you read in the Sacred Book for the oil too has run low, and so with a tranquil heart to bed, to rest. He knows and will call in His own good time. You too have fought the good fight and played loyally your man’s part. Sir, to you my hand. Well done, thou good and faithful servant!
When did you read Ulysses that you hadn’t read Dickens? I know that the “I got paid by the word and you can tell” prose isn’t for everyone but isn’t Joyce one of the most notoriously impenetrable writers in the English language? Seems like in most cases there would be an opposite progression, unless you’re one of those people.
I’m … probably one of those people? I learned English from video games and message boards.
I didn’t read it because I don’t think there’s much emphasis on it in school outside of the anglosphere, but the 2005 movie was a classic, must’ve watched it a dozen times. Now that I recall who the director was, though, I kinda understand why you don’t talk much about it anymore…
Imagine being afraid of allusions to classic literature in your own native language.
It’s fine to miss a reference. I do it all the time and make my friends do the same. Not getting a reference is not a punishment to you, it’s a bonus to those who do get it.
It also takes literally 1.5s to search and find out what it was
that’s what got me: this guy was pissed off someone referenced Fagin at all, the crime of making the bozo feel uncomfortable at missing something by not reading
Reading books in US high school was an exercise in frustration. There weren’t many books assigned, and not a lot of them vibed with me. Most of my classmates did the minimum reading they could get away with (and this was before cellphones were everywhere).
Also I once read through the entirety of the Lord of the Flies before the first quiz on it and so got a quiz answer wrong because I got mixed up due to remembering stuff that happened later in the book which I’m still bitter about.
Our AP English teacher marked down everyone in our class for failing to identify a quote that wasn’t in the translation of L’Etranger that we all read. She refused to give our points back even after I brought a copy of the French original and showed that the translation in our edition was correct when hers was not.
Fagin, of course, the cocreator of Steely Dan… right?
yes that’s the guy does nobody remember The Nightfly
The bleakest lol. Your editor said that?
in this case it was some dickhead, but I’ve had this shit from editors too
Some highlights from my high school AP (Advanced Placement) English class:
- teacher insisting that you can’t split an infinitive in English, but can’t explain why this bullshit rule was made up in the first place
- also something about “up with which I will not put” because god forbid you know what you’re talking about
- some inappropriate discussions about abortion
- we watched the 1931 frankenstein movie after “reading” shelley’s novel, but didn’t relate it to the book in any way1
- we read some shitty short story, which turned into a shitty movie, and then the teacher kept relating back to the film when discussing the themes of the book
- at some point they were like “choose your own novel to read and analyze” and we didn’t really do analysis, and the novel selection was
- dan brown’s shitty novels about the dude who deciphers symbols or whatever (it was the one with anti-matter)
- one of ayn rand’s pieces of shit
- i don’t remember what else, but there were definitely no classics
- we had to write college entry essays for the teacher to “critique.” i wrote mine about how math fucking rules. the teacher decided it was too technical (despite there being no actual math in it), so they gave it to their partner (an engineer) to read — I doubt this was legal — and came back to tell me how well-written it was2
my high school education was probably considered decent. don’t even get me started on “whole language learning” and “new math” and the insipid pseudoscience plaguing our certification programs while our populace treats our teachers like shit
1: Also, this movie was nearly a century old when we watched it and my class got mad at me for spoiling it.
2: it wasn’t written welldan brown’s shitty novels about the dude who deciphers symbols or whatever (it was the one with anti-matter)
Ah yes, litrtuere
don’t even get me started on “whole language learning” and “new math”
I don’t know what “whole language learning” is, and I’m way too young to have experience it, but wasn’t the curriculum before “new math” like arithmetic and nothing else? In other words, not math at all?
I didn’t read much into it but from what I did it seems like they started teaching children actual math like algebra and logic and parents got frustrated because they were too stupid to help with homework anymore. Brings into my mind the whole “math was cool before they involved letters” thing that makes me want to throw a book at someone.
New response from scratch because I manically edited the shit out of my old one. Sorry for linking the wikipedia page there — you were clearly referring to the same thing I was and I didn’t take the appropriate time to understand your reply. I apologize.
The backlash I am familiar with is that students would learn how to identify the place value of something (“the
3in220134₅has value3 * 5¹”) but not be able to do actual arithmetic (3 * 5 = ?). Basically “why are my kids learning this abstract stuff about numerals or set theory when they can’t even remember their times tables?” That is my primary issue with it — it is not good pedagogy. Abstraction should come after a student has learned the foundational material. They aren’t professional mathematicians, and treating them as such (beginning with abstract definitions, as we do) is bad pedagogy.I am sure there was some pushback in the form of “this is too hard”, but I don’t know how much of that kind of pushback occurred. I also would not necessarily blame it on the intelligence of parents. I can imagine a sort of shellshock when your 10 year old comes home with abstract mathematics that you never learned or only learned in high school or at the undergraduate level. And I can similarly understand the outrage when you expect your child to learn foundational skills in school, only for those to be skipped in favor of a high-minded appeal to “real understanding” (in my experience, this is a theme in US education — don’t memorize basic arithmetic because you can just consult your calculator; don’t memorize facts because you can just look them up).
I do not know what the curriculum was before new math, but I would be very surprised if they exclusively taught arithmetic in all of K-12 before the 1950s. I haven’t confirmed this, though.
I do think it is good pedagogy to pepper in motivations for abstract concepts early. Have a student evaluate
1723 * 16via the standard algorithm and separately have them perform1000 * 16
700 * 16
20 * 16
3 * 16
now add em up and think about why you get the same answertl;dr I think it was more “why are my kids learning this shit before they learn to multiply” than “I have no idea how to help my kid with their homework.” Anecdotally, the latter is not something I have experienced (when I taught K-12), even when the material was abstract and something the parents couldn’t help with.
Edit: sorry, rereading your post, it is likely you were referring to the same thing. I apologize for linking the wikipedia page without fully understanding your response. Also sorry for the manic edits.
The backlash I am familiar with is that students would learn how to identify the place value of something (“the
3in220134₅has value3 * 5¹”) but not be able to do actual arithmetic (3 * 5 = ?). Basically “why are my kids learning this abstract stuff about numerals when they can’t even remember their times tables?” I am sure there was pushback in the form of “this is too hard”, but that is not the primary issue I have with it.
- teacher insisting that you can’t split an infinitive in English, but can’t explain why this bullshit rule was made up in the first place
Anyone matched the list of names of the dinguses currently wrecking US agencies from the inside with known LW or HN posters?
at least one matches, i forget the name but it’s all over bsky
Matches for HN or LW?
We know one of them retweeted groypers as well.
LW, one is an actual LW poster
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