I’m going to generally agree with most of this while picking out one pretty nitpicky point that I want to counterpoint.
A lack of effective relationship and solidarity building across class, color, gender, religious beliefs, sexuality, age, ability, culture and more is part of the problem.
A lack of effective relationship and solidarity building across economic status, and across “goodness” of the belief of the person being solidaritied with, is the lion’s share of the problem.
The modern progressive left defines itself chiefly in terms of equality of color, gender, religious belief, sexuality, ability, and so on. Most people in the United States, I am sad to say, do not feature that as their primary concern if they give a shit about it at all. Most people want to know that their individual life is going to be better, because it is hard right now, because someone is stealing all of the money they worked for. You could say it would be a better world if they also wanted life to be better for people of different colors, genders, sexualities, and so on, but that’s not the world or the people we’ve got, and they’re not wrong to chiefly worry about the “rich people are stealing everything I’m working for” problem. We can help any grouping and gather support from any grouping, without needing to say we need to put the brakes on and help some other more virtuous-to-advocate-for grouping instead.
Building economic success for the average working person, whether they be black, white, straight, gay, whatever, should be in the wheelhouse for the American left. It should be a slam dunk. Every time Bernie Sanders or AOC starts talking about it, people start cheering so loud they shake the fucking building. But, a lot of what the progressive left wants to talk about is all of the progressive left’s favorite issues. Meaning equality of gender et cetera.
Health care.
Jobs for working people. Unions.
Real democracy instead of management consultants and incessant bullshit text messages asking for money.
That is my one point of input to what otherwise I really like and agree with as a post, and maybe it seems nitpicky and bitter. But I just want to throw in that it would be a good idea, when building all these coalitions that the article pretty exhaustively goes over good guidelines for how to build, not to lean too hard on the purity test that someone needs to be able to use pronouns to your satisfaction before you are willing to collaborate with them on both of you not having to skip meals, or get sent to death camps for unionizing or being Hispanic, or what have you.
I don’t think that most progressive groups doing actual organizing are doing these kind of purity tests, I think that’s mostly online spaces or non-political-organizing spaces that are setting out their own boundaries for acceptable behavior.
I’ve never once been asked to make a statement of e.g. trans support before being allowed to attend a protest or DSA meeting. It’s mostly assumed/ trusted that you’re showing up because you support the work.
If, however, someone seeing a Pride flag in a coffee shop window or at a protest is enough to make them leave, then you don’t want them there, not because of the morality of their beliefs, but because they are creating an ultimatum that you must abandon or hide your beliefs in order to gain their support, and that’s not solidarity on their part.
Solidarity is a two-way street.
Bernie Sanders or AOC don’t mention support for e.g. LGBT+ people in every speech, but they will if you ask them. They won’t feign or adopt indifference to the issue to gain a false solidarity.
We can help any grouping and gather support from any grouping, without needing to say we need to put the brakes on and help some other more virtuous-to-advocate-for grouping instead.
I’m interested in what examples you are thinking of, for this.
So, if we’re assuming that what I can find is representative of what the real issues are, it sounds to me like it’s a little less about “LGBTQ issues versus economic issues” than I was saying, and more about “work with the Democrats versus abandon the Democrats” which causes the rift between the activist left and the established union membership.
We can help any grouping and gather support from any grouping, without needing to say we need to put the brakes on and help some other more virtuous-to-advocate-for grouping instead.
I’m interested in what examples you are thinking of, for this.
Any Democrat? They talk frequently about issues of social justice, race, LGBTQ (with trans issues as maybe an outlier they hesitate to touch on), and very very rarely do they touch on economic justice with anything but the most oblique of “we have to get inflation under control” references.
The Democratic Party are neoliberal. The party doesn’t have an issue, by and large, with Capitalism. That’s why you don’t hear salient discussions of economic justice from them.
Ground-level, Democratic voters are usually just as indoctrinated about Capitalism as Republicans, though that’s changed somewhat in the last 4-5 years. But Socialism is still a dirty word for many of them, because pro-Capitalist propaganda is completely pervasive in the US.
Labour unions are made up of these exact ground-level voters (and obviously, not all or even a strong majority of union members are Democrats). It’s tough to convince them that economic system change is necessary, because so many of them staunchly believe that Capitalism is the Great Uplifter, and that their ticket would come in if these rich people would just stop being so damn greedy (without really asking what allows them to act on their greed successfully).
Personally, I think unions and young voters will get on board with economic reform before the Democratic Party will, but that also leaves them no one at the Executive level to vote for, since the DNC will actively quash anyone who isn’t on board with neoliberal economics.
Wrt economic vs social progressivism, I agree that we shouldn’t have purity tests for working to dismantle Capitalism, but solidarity has to be two-way. Economics aren’t unbiased, and it’s very possible to make gains/ changes that benefit some groups and not others, especially in a system like ours that is already stratified along e.g. racial lines, economically. You don’t want people who are going to abandon the movement the second they get what they want (having benefitted from the full force of the movement), and leave the rest to fend for themselves with a now diminished bargaining ability.
I’m going to generally agree with most of this while picking out one pretty nitpicky point that I want to counterpoint.
A lack of effective relationship and solidarity building across economic status, and across “goodness” of the belief of the person being solidaritied with, is the lion’s share of the problem.
The modern progressive left defines itself chiefly in terms of equality of color, gender, religious belief, sexuality, ability, and so on. Most people in the United States, I am sad to say, do not feature that as their primary concern if they give a shit about it at all. Most people want to know that their individual life is going to be better, because it is hard right now, because someone is stealing all of the money they worked for. You could say it would be a better world if they also wanted life to be better for people of different colors, genders, sexualities, and so on, but that’s not the world or the people we’ve got, and they’re not wrong to chiefly worry about the “rich people are stealing everything I’m working for” problem. We can help any grouping and gather support from any grouping, without needing to say we need to put the brakes on and help some other more virtuous-to-advocate-for grouping instead.
Building economic success for the average working person, whether they be black, white, straight, gay, whatever, should be in the wheelhouse for the American left. It should be a slam dunk. Every time Bernie Sanders or AOC starts talking about it, people start cheering so loud they shake the fucking building. But, a lot of what the progressive left wants to talk about is all of the progressive left’s favorite issues. Meaning equality of gender et cetera.
Health care.
Jobs for working people. Unions.
Real democracy instead of management consultants and incessant bullshit text messages asking for money.
That is my one point of input to what otherwise I really like and agree with as a post, and maybe it seems nitpicky and bitter. But I just want to throw in that it would be a good idea, when building all these coalitions that the article pretty exhaustively goes over good guidelines for how to build, not to lean too hard on the purity test that someone needs to be able to use pronouns to your satisfaction before you are willing to collaborate with them on both of you not having to skip meals, or get sent to death camps for unionizing or being Hispanic, or what have you.
I don’t think that most progressive groups doing actual organizing are doing these kind of purity tests, I think that’s mostly online spaces or non-political-organizing spaces that are setting out their own boundaries for acceptable behavior.
I’ve never once been asked to make a statement of e.g. trans support before being allowed to attend a protest or DSA meeting. It’s mostly assumed/ trusted that you’re showing up because you support the work.
If, however, someone seeing a Pride flag in a coffee shop window or at a protest is enough to make them leave, then you don’t want them there, not because of the morality of their beliefs, but because they are creating an ultimatum that you must abandon or hide your beliefs in order to gain their support, and that’s not solidarity on their part.
Solidarity is a two-way street.
Bernie Sanders or AOC don’t mention support for e.g. LGBT+ people in every speech, but they will if you ask them. They won’t feign or adopt indifference to the issue to gain a false solidarity.
I’m interested in what examples you are thinking of, for this.
Maybe not. The leftist people I know definitely do, to the point that it’s pretty obnoxious, but they are also not involved in any protest.
I read up about whether there’s any reality to this issue I imagine, and found this kind of stuff:
https://jacobin.com/2021/09/occupy-wall-street-ows-zuccotti-park-nyc-labor-movement-unions-collaboration
https://newrepublic.com/article/175645/left-labor-emerging-political-coalition
So, if we’re assuming that what I can find is representative of what the real issues are, it sounds to me like it’s a little less about “LGBTQ issues versus economic issues” than I was saying, and more about “work with the Democrats versus abandon the Democrats” which causes the rift between the activist left and the established union membership.
Any Democrat? They talk frequently about issues of social justice, race, LGBTQ (with trans issues as maybe an outlier they hesitate to touch on), and very very rarely do they touch on economic justice with anything but the most oblique of “we have to get inflation under control” references.
The Democratic Party are neoliberal. The party doesn’t have an issue, by and large, with Capitalism. That’s why you don’t hear salient discussions of economic justice from them.
Ground-level, Democratic voters are usually just as indoctrinated about Capitalism as Republicans, though that’s changed somewhat in the last 4-5 years. But Socialism is still a dirty word for many of them, because pro-Capitalist propaganda is completely pervasive in the US.
Labour unions are made up of these exact ground-level voters (and obviously, not all or even a strong majority of union members are Democrats). It’s tough to convince them that economic system change is necessary, because so many of them staunchly believe that Capitalism is the Great Uplifter, and that their ticket would come in if these rich people would just stop being so damn greedy (without really asking what allows them to act on their greed successfully).
Personally, I think unions and young voters will get on board with economic reform before the Democratic Party will, but that also leaves them no one at the Executive level to vote for, since the DNC will actively quash anyone who isn’t on board with neoliberal economics.
Wrt economic vs social progressivism, I agree that we shouldn’t have purity tests for working to dismantle Capitalism, but solidarity has to be two-way. Economics aren’t unbiased, and it’s very possible to make gains/ changes that benefit some groups and not others, especially in a system like ours that is already stratified along e.g. racial lines, economically. You don’t want people who are going to abandon the movement the second they get what they want (having benefitted from the full force of the movement), and leave the rest to fend for themselves with a now diminished bargaining ability.