Anyone who has been paying attention to Netanyahu knows that he was planning to kill the cease-fire, and anyone who has been paying attention to Trump knows that the idea that he would finally be the one to reign in Netanyahu, and that’s what’s happening here, is a bunch of raving gibberish. I won’t say there won’t be a short performative cease-fire eventually. But, big picture, the killing will continue and accelerate under Trump, as it was incredibly obvious that it would.
Israel intensifies attacks on Gaza after ceasefire announced
Israel intensified strikes on Gaza hours after a ceasefire and hostage release deal was announced, residents and authorities in the Palestinian enclave have said, with dozens of people killed.
Al Jazeera reporter Anas al-Sharif, in northern Gaza, said it had been a “terrifying night”. In a post on X he wrote,
The pace of bombing has increased dramatically in recent hours, and with it the number of martyrs and wounded has increased to an unprecedented level.
He filmed himself at a makeshift morgue with bodies in the background, including those of several small children. “An hour ago, I was documenting the joy of the people of Gaza at the news of the ceasefire, but the Israeli occupation, as usual, continues to commit massacres,” he said.
Another Al Jazeera reporter Hossam Shabat, also reporting from northern Gaza, reported “intensive raids”, adding, “It’s as if we are living the first days of the Israeli aggression”.
Medics cited by Reuters said 32 people were killed late on Wednesday. Strikes continued into Thursday destroying houses in Rafah in southern Gaza, Nuseirat in central Gaza and in northern Gaza, residents said.
Israel’s military made no immediate comment and there were no reports of Hamas attacks on Israel after the ceasefire announcement.
In the occupied West Bank, where Israel has also intensified its attacks since the 7 October 2023 Hamas attack, six Palestinians were killed and another two critically injured on Wednesday evening by an Israeli airstrike on the Jenin refugee camp, the Palestinian news agency Wafa reported.
Ceasefire being announced vs ceasefire being agreed to seem to be separate events here. If there are more attacks after the agreement is officially made, you’ll have been proven correct.
No you don’t. You just need to explain your reasons, and then people can make their judgement about what you said.
Okay, let’s talk. Why did multiple people all of a sudden start saying “you need proof for that,” all of a sudden, a couple of weeks ago? It’s exactly the type of low-effort, can be used to disagree with anything, statement that I think would be well-suited to being used by propaganda trolls. This is the perfect community to talk about that, I think.
Like how many times in the history of your account have you said this “You need proof of that” as a super-low-effort way to disagree with what someone said, sort of deflecting away from when they spent a bunch of multiple paragraphs explaining exactly what they meant and some of the factually verifiable reasons why they came to the conclusions that they did? Have you always said that kind of thing? Or have you said it to other people in the last few weeks? Or is this, talking to me, the first time it’s occurred to you to challenge what someone was saying in that exact manner?
Or have you said it to other people in the last few weeks? Or is this, talking to me, the first time it’s occurred to you to challenge what someone was saying in that exact manner?
It’s always been my go to when someone uses conjecture to make a claim that, if true, should have observable effects (and hence, a source). BTW I saw your update, and while that’s bad it’s (unfortunately??? fortunately???) not an indicator that the ceasefire has collapsed. The IDF likes to get in a few extra war crimes before they have to pack up and leave.
Well that depends: Is the deal real but the reason it succeeded isn’t Trump involvement? Or is it another house of cards that will inevitably collapse? If it’s the latter we wouldn’t see the Palestinian side expressing optimism, and we wouldn’t hear about the whole thing happening within the spans of a few days (a lie would be extended to buy time and give Israel an excuse when they sabotage the deal again). The fact that the deal was finalized this fast and is going to be voted on today discounts this possibility, or at least makes it unlikely, so the observable effects would include Israel delaying the vote and making up excused for why they can’t accept the deal. If Israel votes to accept the deal I think we can
In the former case we’d need a non-Trump explanation for Netanyahu’s sudden change of heart. The observable effects here would be some other change in the situation that would make continuing the war too costly for Israel or for Netanyahu personally, or some recent accomplishment that could be considered a “mission accomplished” for the IDF.
So yeah that’s it. We have an effect (the ceasefire deal) and are looking for causes, and the Trump thing simply makes the most sense to me as a cause.
We have an effect (the ceasefire deal) and are looking for causes, and the Trump thing simply makes the most sense to me as a cause.
Yes, but do you have any proof?
Honestly, my thought process here is very similar to what you just described. I looked at the situation, decided what made the most sense to me, and explained why. See how silly it is for me to ignore everything you said and just demand proof of something that, to both of us, is fundamentally unprovable in a definite logical way?
I am done with the exchange, I was just making a point and was curious how you would respond.
I mean you’ve always needed evidence to claim that reporting from a respectable source is misinformation.
Update: More proof has happened. Netanyahu has said that he won’t let the cabinet vote on the ceasefire yet.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jan/16/benjamin-netanyahu-no-vote-on-gaza-ceasefire-deal-until-hamas-accepts-all-terms
Anyone who has been paying attention to Netanyahu knows that he was planning to kill the cease-fire, and anyone who has been paying attention to Trump knows that the idea that he would finally be the one to reign in Netanyahu, and that’s what’s happening here, is a bunch of raving gibberish. I won’t say there won’t be a short performative cease-fire eventually. But, big picture, the killing will continue and accelerate under Trump, as it was incredibly obvious that it would.
Okay that’s fair enough you got me there.
Update: My proof has happened.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/jan/16/israel-gaza-war-live-blog-updates-strikes-hamas-ceasefire-talks
Sure is a good thing Trump stepped in to do the super-easy thing Biden was always just refusing to do, right?
Ceasefire being announced vs ceasefire being agreed to seem to be separate events here. If there are more attacks after the agreement is officially made, you’ll have been proven correct.
I’ll keep you posted.
No you don’t. You just need to explain your reasons, and then people can make their judgement about what you said.
Okay, let’s talk. Why did multiple people all of a sudden start saying “you need proof for that,” all of a sudden, a couple of weeks ago? It’s exactly the type of low-effort, can be used to disagree with anything, statement that I think would be well-suited to being used by propaganda trolls. This is the perfect community to talk about that, I think.
Like how many times in the history of your account have you said this “You need proof of that” as a super-low-effort way to disagree with what someone said, sort of deflecting away from when they spent a bunch of multiple paragraphs explaining exactly what they meant and some of the factually verifiable reasons why they came to the conclusions that they did? Have you always said that kind of thing? Or have you said it to other people in the last few weeks? Or is this, talking to me, the first time it’s occurred to you to challenge what someone was saying in that exact manner?
It’s always been my go to when someone uses conjecture to make a claim that, if true, should have observable effects (and hence, a source). BTW I saw your update, and while that’s bad it’s (unfortunately??? fortunately???) not an indicator that the ceasefire has collapsed. The IDF likes to get in a few extra war crimes before they have to pack up and leave.
What would some of the observable effects be? If what I said were true?
Well that depends: Is the deal real but the reason it succeeded isn’t Trump involvement? Or is it another house of cards that will inevitably collapse? If it’s the latter we wouldn’t see the Palestinian side expressing optimism, and we wouldn’t hear about the whole thing happening within the spans of a few days (a lie would be extended to buy time and give Israel an excuse when they sabotage the deal again). The fact that the deal was finalized this fast and is going to be voted on today discounts this possibility, or at least makes it unlikely, so the observable effects would include Israel delaying the vote and making up excused for why they can’t accept the deal. If Israel votes to accept the deal I think we can
In the former case we’d need a non-Trump explanation for Netanyahu’s sudden change of heart. The observable effects here would be some other change in the situation that would make continuing the war too costly for Israel or for Netanyahu personally, or some recent accomplishment that could be considered a “mission accomplished” for the IDF.
So yeah that’s it. We have an effect (the ceasefire deal) and are looking for causes, and the Trump thing simply makes the most sense to me as a cause.
Yes, but do you have any proof?
Honestly, my thought process here is very similar to what you just described. I looked at the situation, decided what made the most sense to me, and explained why. See how silly it is for me to ignore everything you said and just demand proof of something that, to both of us, is fundamentally unprovable in a definite logical way?
I am done with the exchange, I was just making a point and was curious how you would respond.