• halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world
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    24 days ago

    You know, when you accuse every anti-war candidate of being a Russian agent, you’re just making Russia look better than the US.

    It’s not about a supposed “anti-war” stance at all, and you trying to shift the conversation to that just makes you look like you don’t want discussions about the fact Russia has been working to destabilize US politics for decades.

    You *do *realize Russian interference in US politics has been happening since way before any of this right? Way before even their invasion of Georgia 16 years ago. This isn’t new, and it isn’t about Ukraine or Israel. It’s about recognizing that Russia has been spreading misinformation in the US through things like social media and even our own politicians for decades now. The US military and intelligence communities have been warning about it for just as long, it isn’t new. The fact you want to make it seem like this is somehow new means you either haven’t been paying any attention, or that you support Russian interests.

    Given your attempt to shift the conversation away from Russian interference, I’d say the second is correct.

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      23 days ago

      It’s not just the US. It’s “The West” as a whole.

      There’s good evidence that Russia was behind the pro-Brexit sentiment in the UK as well.

      https://www.csis.org/blogs/brexit-bits-bobs-and-blogs/did-russia-influence-brexit

      Supported by the top UK Google searches immediately following the vote:

      https://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/06/24/480949383/britains-google-searches-for-what-is-the-eu-spike-after-brexit-vote

      “What is the EU?”

      “What is Brexit?”

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        23 days ago

        There’s good evidence that Russia was behind the pro-Brexit sentiment in the UK as well.

        You mean that Russia supported pro-Brexit sentiment, right?

        You’re not saying Russia was the source of pro-Brexit sentiment, are you?

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      24 days ago

      Russia has been working to destabilize US politics for decades.

      Yeah, probably. Just like the USA tries to influence the population of foreign countries through efforts like Voice of America and Radio Free Asia.

      But I think you’re vastly overestimating how much effect Russian propaganda has. If anything is destabilizing democracy, it’s Fox News (which has a reach hundreds of times greater than any Russia bot on Twitter). How can you worry about foreign disinformation when domestic disinformation is right in front of you and radicalizing your parents (and weird cousins).

      The only reason we hear so much about Russian disinformation is because the Democrats need a boogeyman to blame their failures on. (Who haven’t the Democrats accused of being Russian agents at this point?)