I think discussion is fine. I think the article fosters discussion. I also completely agree with them sidelining what could give the Republicans ammo and votes in this critical time.
But I’m just a Canadian who hates headline gore and want to point out that:
Harris isn’t pushing Medicare for All anymore. Progressives say that’s OK.
Is a shitty headline. It doesn’t match the tone or even fully the bias of the article and is click baity at best. It instantly paints the discussion for headline readers and article for the clickers as contrarian.
Harris isn’t pushing Medicare for All anymore. Is that OK?
Is what a headline should look like in this case and would probably foster discussion and less downvotes. But one can’t even tell shitty journalism from manipulation these days, can we?
Edit: whipped out my black highlighter for some bolding.
So, I’m reading the article. This is what I’m getting out of it.
- Medicare for All is off the table.
- Harris is worried that a full-throated embracing of Medicare for All will turn off voters happy with their current insurance.
- She’s got other plans, such as building off of Biden’s wins in Student Loans, Infrastructure, and Medicare expansions.
- The votes aren’t there for Medicare for All.
- Progressives are taking the mindset that it’s better to stop Trump than hold Harris accountable.
- This doesn’t mean they are going to go quietly into that night.
My thoughts are that the Progressives would be served by pushing for RCV in more places, while pushing Progressive candidates in the Primaries in 2026 and 2028. Hopefully the shitgibbon will be dead by then and the next person won’t be worse on Team Red, so the Progs have some room to hold the Dems accountable. And hopefully the Progs recognise the reality on the ground and maybe advocate for Medicare Buyin before Medicare for All.
That said? If you’re saying “We’d like better behaviour out of the Dems, but no way do we want Trump in office,” I’ll never have beef with you.
If you’re saying “We’d like better behaviour out of the Dems, but no way do we want Trump in office,” I’ll never have beef with you.
This is what I’m trying to say but I think the time to get them to listen is now. The threat of Trump looms regardless. Everyone knows who he is and no thinking person will vote for him. I have been voting for more years than a lot of lemmings have been alive and I’m tired of picking the lesser of two evils again and again. If we keep giving everyone a pass I don’t believe we will ever get what we want because there is always another threat.
This is where I point you to a simple fact. We don’t always get what we want in elections. I know, that’s defeatist mindsets, but let’s get real. We live in a country where 3 out of every 4 voting aged adults say they are NOT liberal.
I know the lines that come next, but I think that’s just ignoring the polling, which is never a good place to be. The good news is that the largest collection of people, the people who call themselves Moderates, outnumber the hard-alt-Right side of the Conservative spectrum. Like us on the Left, they don’t want to see a Trump in office, nor Project 2025 implemented. But they also don’t want to see many changes in their lives. Here’s the hard part – they get a say as well. If you push Medicare for All, just saying ‘it’s that or Trump’, they’re going to say, “I don’t want either, so I’m just going to stay home.” It’s a lot easier to sell putting 3 million houses on the market, or forgiving loans after you’ve paid the principle back, or even ‘if you want, you can pay a premium to Medicare and switch to that, or keep your insurance otherwise.’ As the reminder goes to all voters – it’s not a marriage where you must find the Best Candidate Ever. It’s public transit. You take the bus that gets you closest to where you’re trying to go, and not all busses go exactly to the destination. Doubly so when other people want to go to different places than you want to!
I understand but I’m not sure I agree. The bus isn’t going to go near where I want it to go if I don’t speak up. However, I appreciate the thoughtful response nonetheless. Thanks.
I’m not allowed to post things from the candidate’s own blog. I’m not allowed to post articles from 2019, but what about this?
Her reversal is not ok and we should be allowed to discuss it.
The headline saying progressives are ok with it is bullshit.
But if stupid headlines broke any rules, there’d be a lot less posts here.
This one will likely stay up
That’s the headline from the article and I’m not allowed to change it. I ended up having to copy paste it as the automatic import did not work, so I suppose the title tag could be different. I can’t quite tell on my phone.
Nah. I meant it’s not your fault it’s a dumb headline, it’s the journalist/editor who picked it.
I should have explicitly said that to be clear tho considering how much hassle you’ve went thru to get a post in
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My preconceived notion is that people should fight for the things they believe in and not just shift their beliefs because the money said so. Strange, I know.
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It’s not misleading if I provide a date in the body, one is provided in the article/blog and the candidate totally said all of that. I’m not allowed to change the title, so how am I otherwise supposed to compensate for a lack of reading comprehension?
I want it, but I’m willing to wait a while longer in exchange for freedom now. Bigger problems to work on with Project 2025. I got a preteen niece that cannot grow up in that kind of world. And couchfucker needs to go away.
OP posted a similar article a few minutes ago, and I will say again they’re like MAGA and are using anything and everything to kill the momentum.
I am not a MAGA person and I am only one person. If the candidate were consistent then she wouldn’t have this problem.
Are you completely unaware of how political campaigns work?
I’m more interested in how they should work.
Dunno who those progressives are but most of the progressives I know are not okay with the shift.
And yet they will all vote for her anyway because she is not Trump and is pro-choice.
