I think it is far more likely that some other country would fall out of our good graces than that the US government might become anti-Israeli-genocide.
(I am not saying you’re wrong as far as the Israeli calculus or that factoring into their decision. Just that, as far as my own calculus, they don’t really have any need to get concerned.)
Biden made some meek complaints about 2000lb bombs being used in dense urban environment. Israel had to put up with a couple of weeks delay on more of them. They signed contract in 2010. Maybe DNC could have chosen Bernie instead of HRC (just kidding).
Oh, hello! I didn’t even notice it was you when I was replying. Good to see you found a way to shoehorn “Biden” and “DNC” and “Hillary” into this totally related topic. You did it real smoothly, too, it totally wasn’t some random hard turn into a rant about US politics and your favorite politicians from the US to talk about. Nice.
Israel’s genocidal ambitions were always there. Knowing the absolute control over US rulership and their ability to maintain genocide support through advances in mind control was not known in 2010.
The US rulership’s wildly successful tactics of mind control, specifically as pertains to Israel, really haven’t changed much since Noam Chomsky was writing about them in 1988.
That’s actually part of the problem: New techniques in mind control have been being developed, including organized mass shilling on social media, and the US government hasn’t really gotten the hang of how to do it effectively. As a result they’ve lost control to a large extent over the US populace. However, the people who are now gaining control are somehow even worse than the pro-genocide contingent who were in charge before.
All you have to do is reach out your hand, on Lemmy, and you can touch someone who’s openly in favor of genocide in Xinjiang or Ukraine. That’s new. The stuff Chomsky talks about seems kind of antiquated now. But it was definitely in full-scale operation, and easily predictable in its features, in 2010.
you can touch someone who’s openly in favor of genocide in Xinjiang or Ukraine.
social media disinformation making smears in favour of warmongering is quite new, but extreme statism if not paid agents. The high divisiveness is part of the mind control techniques that are making most of the audience internalize evil. Those were not of certain effectiveness in 2010.
social media disinformation making smears in favour of warmongering is quite new
Got it!
but extreme statism if not paid agents.
Not a sentence! Also nothing coherent. What are you trying to say here?
The high divisiveness is part of the mind control techniques
Absolutely true.
that are making most of the audience internalize evil
I don’t think this part is true. Most of the tactic of divisiveness and chaos (deliberately lapsing into incoherence and hostility against the other speaker as a default) is to prevent people internalizing anything, I think that is separate from the more directed type of propaganda that’s aiming to get people to adopt some particular worldview or other. A lot of it is just attacking the whole concept of developing an accurate and truthful worldview, or effectively communicating on the internet with other people, in general.
Those were not of certain effectiveness in 2010.
Are you saying the US populace wasn’t manipulated to unconditionally support Israel in 2010? I would say the 2010 electorate was way more misled on that topic than the modern-day audience. There were always some outliers, but the way that pro-Palestinian views have become mainstream even to the point of impacting presidential campaigns, having direct respresentation in congress, that kind of thing, is new.
Again, the really effective manipulating in the modern day is in other directions. “Europe needs to quit this green energy nonsense and start buying fuel from Russia again.” “Joe Biden betrayed the working class and the American people and as a faithful supporter of the left I’m not going to vote for Kamala Harris as a result.” That kind of thing.
Mainstream media statism of smearing/warmongering on China and Russia is prevalent. That you would bring up an obsession of China’s successful counterterrorism operation in Xinxiang through education, job creation, peace and prosperity results as something to obsess on, or categorize US provoked war on Russia through Ukraine proxy as a genocide, would be another examples of “to the last Ukrainian” US responsibility for the war, instead of Russia defending itself from NATO encroachment, if you insist on calling that a genocide. Genocide declarations are always political, and usually hate based instead of fact based politics.
I would say the 2010 electorate was way more misled on that topic than the modern-day audience.
Zionist/neocon bipartisan rulership was never a big electoral issue because Zionist oligarchs gave to both sides, and stayed away from strong opinions on which side was best for Israel. Supposedly not a major voting issue in 2024, even though Zionist supremacists shifted hard to Trump, and allied themselves with even project 2025 agenda, and media (all zionist) also shifted to Trump. There is obvious online resistance for obvious reasons, but mass media still decides winners.
The extreme social media shift, is the supposedly more intellectual left fanning warmongering against powers that can fight back. If the most republican/neocon/zionist DNC appointees favour warmongering, then so must “we”. Europe going psychotic over peace prospects, and responding to economic extortion from US with more psychosis against Russia, is a crazy level at least as high as what comes from the right.
Europe needs to quit this green energy nonsense and start buying fuel from Russia again.
Europe policy is mostly escaping that “oil funded disinformation”. Like Russian warmongering propaganda (meant for west), it’s purpose is US citizen targeted disinformation. Europe doesn’t fight back that FF dependence is not just Russia dependence but US dependence as well, but still behaves as though it realizes that. Europe doesn’t realize that the Ukraine proxy war on Russia was a war on Europe. Embarrassing response to Nordstream for example, but your oil funded disinformation has a small effect on far right.
education, job creation, peace and prosperity results
Europe going psychotic over peace prospects, and responding to economic extortion from US with more psychosis against Russia, is a crazy level at least as high as what comes from the right.
Absolutely gratifying. Keep talking, this is great stuff, I am highly entertained now.
I think it is far more likely that some other country would fall out of our good graces than that the US government might become anti-Israeli-genocide.
(I am not saying you’re wrong as far as the Israeli calculus or that factoring into their decision. Just that, as far as my own calculus, they don’t really have any need to get concerned.)
Biden made some meek complaints about 2000lb bombs being used in dense urban environment. Israel had to put up with a couple of weeks delay on more of them. They signed contract in 2010. Maybe DNC could have chosen Bernie instead of HRC (just kidding).
Oh, hello! I didn’t even notice it was you when I was replying. Good to see you found a way to shoehorn “Biden” and “DNC” and “Hillary” into this totally related topic. You did it real smoothly, too, it totally wasn’t some random hard turn into a rant about US politics and your favorite politicians from the US to talk about. Nice.
Israel’s genocidal ambitions were always there. Knowing the absolute control over US rulership and their ability to maintain genocide support through advances in mind control was not known in 2010.
What?
The US rulership’s wildly successful tactics of mind control, specifically as pertains to Israel, really haven’t changed much since Noam Chomsky was writing about them in 1988.
That’s actually part of the problem: New techniques in mind control have been being developed, including organized mass shilling on social media, and the US government hasn’t really gotten the hang of how to do it effectively. As a result they’ve lost control to a large extent over the US populace. However, the people who are now gaining control are somehow even worse than the pro-genocide contingent who were in charge before.
All you have to do is reach out your hand, on Lemmy, and you can touch someone who’s openly in favor of genocide in Xinjiang or Ukraine. That’s new. The stuff Chomsky talks about seems kind of antiquated now. But it was definitely in full-scale operation, and easily predictable in its features, in 2010.
social media disinformation making smears in favour of warmongering is quite new, but extreme statism if not paid agents. The high divisiveness is part of the mind control techniques that are making most of the audience internalize evil. Those were not of certain effectiveness in 2010.
Got it!
Not a sentence! Also nothing coherent. What are you trying to say here?
Absolutely true.
I don’t think this part is true. Most of the tactic of divisiveness and chaos (deliberately lapsing into incoherence and hostility against the other speaker as a default) is to prevent people internalizing anything, I think that is separate from the more directed type of propaganda that’s aiming to get people to adopt some particular worldview or other. A lot of it is just attacking the whole concept of developing an accurate and truthful worldview, or effectively communicating on the internet with other people, in general.
Are you saying the US populace wasn’t manipulated to unconditionally support Israel in 2010? I would say the 2010 electorate was way more misled on that topic than the modern-day audience. There were always some outliers, but the way that pro-Palestinian views have become mainstream even to the point of impacting presidential campaigns, having direct respresentation in congress, that kind of thing, is new.
Again, the really effective manipulating in the modern day is in other directions. “Europe needs to quit this green energy nonsense and start buying fuel from Russia again.” “Joe Biden betrayed the working class and the American people and as a faithful supporter of the left I’m not going to vote for Kamala Harris as a result.” That kind of thing.
Mainstream media statism of smearing/warmongering on China and Russia is prevalent. That you would bring up an obsession of China’s successful counterterrorism operation in Xinxiang through education, job creation, peace and prosperity results as something to obsess on, or categorize US provoked war on Russia through Ukraine proxy as a genocide, would be another examples of “to the last Ukrainian” US responsibility for the war, instead of Russia defending itself from NATO encroachment, if you insist on calling that a genocide. Genocide declarations are always political, and usually hate based instead of fact based politics.
Zionist/neocon bipartisan rulership was never a big electoral issue because Zionist oligarchs gave to both sides, and stayed away from strong opinions on which side was best for Israel. Supposedly not a major voting issue in 2024, even though Zionist supremacists shifted hard to Trump, and allied themselves with even project 2025 agenda, and media (all zionist) also shifted to Trump. There is obvious online resistance for obvious reasons, but mass media still decides winners.
The extreme social media shift, is the supposedly more intellectual left fanning warmongering against powers that can fight back. If the most republican/neocon/zionist DNC appointees favour warmongering, then so must “we”. Europe going psychotic over peace prospects, and responding to economic extortion from US with more psychosis against Russia, is a crazy level at least as high as what comes from the right.
Europe policy is mostly escaping that “oil funded disinformation”. Like Russian warmongering propaganda (meant for west), it’s purpose is US citizen targeted disinformation. Europe doesn’t fight back that FF dependence is not just Russia dependence but US dependence as well, but still behaves as though it realizes that. Europe doesn’t realize that the Ukraine proxy war on Russia was a war on Europe. Embarrassing response to Nordstream for example, but your oil funded disinformation has a small effect on far right.
Absolutely gratifying. Keep talking, this is great stuff, I am highly entertained now.
https://ponder.cat/post/2069460